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Old 07-16-2012 | 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Pringle
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Left all of the new sensors on. Found a broken ground strap on the back of the motor. Make-shifted a halfway decent ground strap. Tried a few different combinations of some sensors plugged in, other not connected. Nothing.

Out of frustration a friend of mine took a rubber mallet and started beating on the cat. Started it back up and it ran fine even with foot almost off the brake. So we then punched the cat from back to front to try and clear it out.. And thus, it moved. Move forward about 10-15 feet in drive foot completely off the brake. It even handled a very very small amount of throttle to give it a nudge. This was with TPS and IAC unplugged.

However, when my friend went to put the jeep into reverse it stalled and would not start back up. We reconnected the sensors and tried again. No start.

No start. ...

We gave up.. Everyone has to be at work tomorrow and it was late.

I am not going into work tomorrow, and will continue to try and get this thing running..

Any other info will still help. I still am not sure what exactly I'm doing.
Now ****s getting really weird
Old 07-16-2012 | 12:38 AM
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So what should i try next?
Old 07-16-2012 | 01:10 AM
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I have no clue about yours since it sounds like youve thrown the book at it but this could be an electrical issue. Check all of your grounds and clean them up ( disconnect, wire brush). It made a world of difference on my jeep and a lot of the problems i see on this forum end up related to bad grounds. Do a search for all the ground connections to make sure you account for them all. I cant remember them all to list for you. There is a small ground wire i believe from the tps that gets overlooked. Replace rotten/worn straps. I replace all of my stuff with battery cable. Might not be the solution for you but it cant hurt to try if you are at a dead end...until someone smarter than me chimes in.
Old 07-16-2012 | 04:56 AM
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I'm going to suggest you remove the cat and see how it runs. If its partially plugged it can let the engine idle fine but will bog down and stall under load.

I've had two experiences with this- first was an old mustang. Drove it to the airport (about a 2hr trip), parked it for a week while I was in Cali, came back and picked my car up and found I could go faster than 55mph. The closer I got to home the slower it got. Next day I took an EGR valve off the manifold and it ran great- knocked out the guts of the cat and drove that car another 2 years without problems.

Second time was a 99 XJ that had been sitting for a few years. First time I started it and drove it around the driveway it stalled. Let it sit for a few minutes and it would start back up and drive a short distance and stall again. What I found was squirrels had packed the exhaust full of corn ( same as if the cat would be clogged). Cleaned out the corn and drove that Jeep for 3 more years without any problems.

So pull that cat off. If it runs fine hollow the cat out and put it back on.
Old 07-16-2012 | 12:51 PM
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Still no start this morning after cooling off overnight.

It doesn't seem to be restricted by the cat anymore tho. Just turns and turns. I'm thinking it's electrical. It will give me like one or two good sputters and just cranks and cranks.

Seems like it's getting fuel and spark. I've tried unplugging sensors like we had it last night. Still nothing.
Old 07-16-2012 | 03:57 PM
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Had a local mobile mechanic come take a look at it. Met him up at my local O'Reilly's and he was gracious enough to swing by and test my fuel pressure (I was using a borrowed kit), spark pulse, and spark for free. Said I was losing spark through my cap and rotor and may as well do wires while I was at it.

So I'm off back to O'Reilly's to buy said parts. Shouldn't be too bad with an employee discount. .. We will then see what happens.
Old 07-16-2012 | 06:30 PM
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New cap, rotor, and plug wires. Correct firing order.

AND!?

No start.

Back to the drawing board?
Old 07-16-2012 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pringle
1. I work for O'Reilly's so getting good plugs won't be an issue.. I just bought these to see if it was the old *** plugs causing one of my issues.... I will get better ones in tomorrow..

2. How to flash the computer?

3. Should I buy a new O2 Sensor and put that in? If so, I believe the one that we were toying with was the Upstream? I'm not 100%.. My friend was helping A LOT. Lol. Also, at O'Reilly's we only show an Upstream with California emissions. Only show a downstream without.. Issue? I would assume so.

4. I've had a long *** day and I can still smell gas. Lol. I'm off to bed, so I will update tomorrow as the day progresses and we try new things.
Is your engine light on if the o2 sensors are bad it should be throwing the bank 1 sensor 1 code or bank 1 sensor 2 code.... Just sayin'
Old 07-16-2012 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Pringle
Update :

Left all of the new sensors on. Found a broken ground strap on the back of the motor. Make-shifted a halfway decent ground strap. Tried a few different combinations of some sensors plugged in, other not connected. Nothing.

Out of frustration a friend of mine took a rubber mallet and started beating on the cat. Started it back up and it ran fine even with foot almost off the brake. So we then punched the cat from back to front to try and clear it out.. And thus, it moved. Move forward about 10-15 feet in drive foot completely off the brake. It even handled a very very small amount of throttle to give it a nudge. This was with TPS and IAC unplugged.

However, when my friend went to put the jeep into reverse it stalled and would not start back up. We reconnected the sensors and tried again. No start.

No start. ...

We gave up.. Everyone has to be at work tomorrow and it was late.

I am not going into work tomorrow, and will continue to try and get this thing running..

Any other info will still help. I still am not sure what exactly I'm doing.
Don't use straps they suck get like 4 Gage wire and replace your grounds not a bad idea!
Old 07-16-2012 | 07:03 PM
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If I were you I would do a complete tune up plugs wires distributor cap and rotor... That's just me though do you have a wire tester?

This is what I run on my xj:

http://m.summitracing.com/parts/acc-tst17
Old 07-16-2012 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CherokeeChick
If I were you I would do a complete tune up plugs wires distributor cap and rotor... That's just me though do you have a wire tester?

This is what I run on my xj:

http://m.summitracing.com/parts/acc-tst17
Plugs, Wires, Cap, Rotor, CKS, TPS, IACV, MAP, and Fuel Pump are all brand new.
Old 07-16-2012 | 08:13 PM
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Any odd wear on the either of the o2 sensor wires from rubbing on anything? Trace the wires around and check, I remember reading some odd things from the wire harnesses rubbing on whatever it may be and grounding out causing problems.

Check all your dash and underhood fuses while your at it.

If nothing shows up at least you ruled out a few things, and definatly disconnect the cat and try again if you already havnt (if you said you did so I missed it sorry lol)
Old 07-16-2012 | 08:14 PM
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Have you done this yet? :
Old 07-16-2012 | 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Pringle

Plugs, Wires, Cap, Rotor, CKS, TPS, IACV, MAP, and Fuel Pump are all brand new.
Crap!! I missed that part!
Old 07-16-2012 | 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by storm101
Any odd wear on the either of the o2 sensor wires from rubbing on anything? Trace the wires around and check, I remember reading some odd things from the wire harnesses rubbing on whatever it may be and grounding out causing problems.

Check all your dash and underhood fuses while your at it.

If nothing shows up at least you ruled out a few things, and definatly disconnect the cat and try again if you already havnt (if you said you did so I missed it sorry lol)
If it was the o2 sensor his engine light would be on!!!!!!


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