it just makes sense to run a tire size that reflects the lift....33s stock will not perform with no suspension travel. 4.5with 235s leave to much travel, looks dumb, and doesnt gain clearance on diffs....if you just want big tires go ahead hack it up if you want sufficient ground clearance and suspension that allows you to keep all or as any tires as possible on the ground, then lift it and put a tire that will allow proper travel and clearance the piont of suspension upgrades is to gain ground clearance and allow articulation of suspension allowing tires to stay planted on ground not hang 2 feet in air while ones stuffed in a wheel well with pucks stopping it fro going anyfurther....just think about it. whats the point in big tires if they cant ove but a couple inches. ill put a xj with 4.5 and 31-33s up against a stock xj stuffing 33s with lockers any day... (you bring the stocker ill bring the lifed xj with 33s. if you wanna go muddin ok there are still ruts to bottom out on. rocks? yea lifted and big tires will go further than stock with big tires any day if following same path.... for example i wen to uwharrie and wheeled stock except for 2 inch bb did fine but went around most stuff i didnt have clearance for. wen again with 33s and 4.5 lift and had way more fun doin everything i wanted to try and play on. just my .02

 

well to me it seems like KTM's xj has a BOATLOAD of travel just my .02

 

I'm betting those Home Brew long arms have a little to do with that.

 

umm


what?

lift height has very little to do with flex

to keep the tires out of the fenders you need bumpstops, wether you have 33's with no lift or 6" of lift, the tires will always compress into the same place.

and your open/open and flex vs locker argument is false

 

the main reason for long arms is not to increase flex.

 

Get lockers. Lifting tires all day long won't matter.

 

lifting your XJ skyhigh doesnt equal flex.

wanna see this stock on 33s flexin out? ok



looks ok to me.

im not saying stock is ideal for everything, i have a wheeling xj on 4.5 with 35s...but what i AM saying is:
suspension setup > suspension height.

 

Heavymetal, are you saying that the size of your shocks are directly related to the amount of droop ones axle has?

GASP.

I wish the other people here would see that.

 

I hope you don't honestly let your shocks be what limits your suspension droop.

 

i believe he is alluding to the fact that your shocks being too short will not allow you flex...a proper length shock will allow for more flex, so long as your other limiting factors are taken care of as well.

 

Gotcha and thank you for clearing that up.

 

for those who ride low on big glazed donuts, whats stopping your droop? on a stocker or short arm lift, the arms would hit on the mount above the arm and stop droop but for you long arm guys, whats stopping yours? do you guys run limiting straps or do your arms only flex so far before the joints reach their limit? something's gotta stop the droop somewhere or you will be using shocks are limiting straps. im curious about this with low COG setups.

 

my shocks limit my travel. they also would limit my compression if i didnt bumpstop a half inch before they bottom (which i find funny that all these tall lift guys say bumpstops limit flex and blah blah. If they care for their shocks they would bumpstop just as much as i did.

but i dont care about the shocks i have now anyway, i have been topping out on them for about a year and they are still as nice as a cheap twin tube can be.

 

guys...we kind of highjacked blackxj's thread here. Why do we fight over dumb things like this anyways TO EACH HIS OWN....does anyone know what this means besides me??? Im only 17 turning 18 in 6 days and i think im more mature than some people posting on this thread. come on guys, honestly.

 

this will all get deleted, but this gets really old hearing this over and over again.

how is it immature to debate/discuss tech? what tech value have YOU brought to this thread? why is this dumb? who is Fighting? this thread is still on topic as to lift height/tire setup and what needs to work.

why dont you let us in on some of your 17 year old wisdom and maybe we'll eat our hats, until then, sit back and enjoy the tech value/discussion some of us can bring to this site for your benefit in the future.

"Honestly."


a limiting strap is ideal. my bilsteins currently limit my flex, though i dont get there too often..so far this has been the case for 2 years without any sort of issue. aside from that, nothing will limit it aside from brakelines or other less than ideal things