88 restoration in Italy
10-22-2021, 07:45 AM
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Mmm, I know a few owners of salvage yards...they all live on the edge of legality (when not beyond) and not only about the origin of the vehicles they dismantle which sometimes is questionable IMHO. Not exactly the type of guys you would like to date your daughter...
Could be the fact that here in EU the large majority of vehicles are equipped with diesel engines ?
Guess 80-90% are diesels. I don't know if diesel engines are equipped with catalithic converter. I know they come with particulate filters (APF). And I also know these filters are a PITA and can be removed if the ECU is remapped...
Wether they contain precious ores or not, I have no idea, but if they do nobody must have realized it yet, because they are just thrown in the parts bin when removed or replaced for being clogged.
This may happen in a few thousands mile if the car is driven on roads or conditions which are not ideal during the filter's cleaning cycle (such as in city traffic).
Could be the fact that here in EU the large majority of vehicles are equipped with diesel engines ?
Guess 80-90% are diesels. I don't know if diesel engines are equipped with catalithic converter. I know they come with particulate filters (APF). And I also know these filters are a PITA and can be removed if the ECU is remapped...
Wether they contain precious ores or not, I have no idea, but if they do nobody must have realized it yet, because they are just thrown in the parts bin when removed or replaced for being clogged.
This may happen in a few thousands mile if the car is driven on roads or conditions which are not ideal during the filter's cleaning cycle (such as in city traffic).
10-29-2021, 09:49 AM
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I am planning on a 3 - 3.5" lift to install 30's or 31's.
What tires would you suggest with current gearing ?
The truck comes with 4.10 gears, which was the standard gearing with the underpowered 2.1 Renault TD (87HP @ 4000 rpm)
I did not check what gearbox comes with this jeep, it's either the Aisin AX-5 or the Peugeot BA 10/5 (most probably the Aisin), anyway both are 5 speed manuals with a 1.00 fourth gear. Fifth gears, the Aisin is geared 0.85 and the Peugeot 0.79 (not much different).
Currently I am running 215/75/15 and the gearing feels a little too low, on all four gears on normal roads and also in fifth gear on the highway (however little highway use this truck will ever see). Overall I guess I would NOT dislike a little higher gearing.
All things taken into account, including the added weight of the bigger tires, perhaps 31's might be a little too much for this truck, and I should go for 30's.
I wouldn't want to basically "lose" the fifth gear with 31's.
Comments and suggestion on this will be much appreciated.
Lift "kit".
I don't like stuffed wheel wells, I love some air between the tires and the fenders, so I am planning a 3.5" lift if I go for 31's, and a 3" lift with 30's.
I like a little rake on my trucks so I may go for a half inch more or so at the rear.
The truck currently shows no signs of sagging springs, as it measures 17.75" on the passenger side and 17.25" on the driver side (center of the hub to the stock fender flares, and exact same measure front and rear).
I am definitely going for a "budget lift" with coil spacers at the front.
I'd love to replace my coil springs with ZJ's but the V8's are impossible to find in scrap yards here, and the 2.5TD ZJ springs (easy find in scrap yards), I doubt they will yeld any lift over the XJ's springs.
The rear I am not sure. I think I'm going for a combination of lift blocks, AAL (adding a leaf out of some japanese truck spring pack that will fit) and shackles.
Shackles are easy/cheap/fast but I hate how they mess up the driveline angles. I may try to keep the shackle lift to not more than what I can compensate wita a 1" TC drop to keep driveline operating angles within a couple degrees of mismatch. I have not done all the trigonometry yet, but I guess the shackle lift would be in the 1" range at most.
AAL would be aimed at increasing the spring rate to help keep axle wrap in check, more than actual lift.
Lift blocks would not be bigger than 2", probably more in the 1 or 1-1/2" range, and custom fabricated out of steel stock. If I get lucky I may even have a pair from some previous build that would only require being milled down to size, so I even spare me the trip to the hardware store...
Anyone please comment on the project.
PS.
I am aware there is a specic thread to post question about lifts and tires.
I decided to post here nonetheless because it is about a truck with different motor / gearbox than what you have in the US, and this makes things different.
@ mods, please feel free to move the post to the lift and tires thread if you believe it is more appropriate.
What tires would you suggest with current gearing ?
The truck comes with 4.10 gears, which was the standard gearing with the underpowered 2.1 Renault TD (87HP @ 4000 rpm)
I did not check what gearbox comes with this jeep, it's either the Aisin AX-5 or the Peugeot BA 10/5 (most probably the Aisin), anyway both are 5 speed manuals with a 1.00 fourth gear. Fifth gears, the Aisin is geared 0.85 and the Peugeot 0.79 (not much different).
Currently I am running 215/75/15 and the gearing feels a little too low, on all four gears on normal roads and also in fifth gear on the highway (however little highway use this truck will ever see). Overall I guess I would NOT dislike a little higher gearing.
All things taken into account, including the added weight of the bigger tires, perhaps 31's might be a little too much for this truck, and I should go for 30's.
I wouldn't want to basically "lose" the fifth gear with 31's.
Comments and suggestion on this will be much appreciated.
Lift "kit".
I don't like stuffed wheel wells, I love some air between the tires and the fenders, so I am planning a 3.5" lift if I go for 31's, and a 3" lift with 30's.
I like a little rake on my trucks so I may go for a half inch more or so at the rear.
The truck currently shows no signs of sagging springs, as it measures 17.75" on the passenger side and 17.25" on the driver side (center of the hub to the stock fender flares, and exact same measure front and rear).
I am definitely going for a "budget lift" with coil spacers at the front.
I'd love to replace my coil springs with ZJ's but the V8's are impossible to find in scrap yards here, and the 2.5TD ZJ springs (easy find in scrap yards), I doubt they will yeld any lift over the XJ's springs.
The rear I am not sure. I think I'm going for a combination of lift blocks, AAL (adding a leaf out of some japanese truck spring pack that will fit) and shackles.
Shackles are easy/cheap/fast but I hate how they mess up the driveline angles. I may try to keep the shackle lift to not more than what I can compensate wita a 1" TC drop to keep driveline operating angles within a couple degrees of mismatch. I have not done all the trigonometry yet, but I guess the shackle lift would be in the 1" range at most.
AAL would be aimed at increasing the spring rate to help keep axle wrap in check, more than actual lift.
Lift blocks would not be bigger than 2", probably more in the 1 or 1-1/2" range, and custom fabricated out of steel stock. If I get lucky I may even have a pair from some previous build that would only require being milled down to size, so I even spare me the trip to the hardware store...
Anyone please comment on the project.
PS.
I am aware there is a specic thread to post question about lifts and tires.
I decided to post here nonetheless because it is about a truck with different motor / gearbox than what you have in the US, and this makes things different.
@ mods, please feel free to move the post to the lift and tires thread if you believe it is more appropriate.
10-30-2021, 01:27 AM
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Well the XJ was very common in Italy back in the days. It sold BIG numbers distributed by Renault, it was basically the first widely spread 4WD, along with the early Japs (Mitsubishy Pajero, Toyota Land cruiser LJ, and Hi Lux and Nissan King Can pickup. But I remember the XJ came first, the japs were more on the late 80's.
The XJ came with the 2.1TD Renault motor and later with the 2.5TD VM. Which of the two was worse and more unreliable is hard to tell. Owners of the VM motor swear the Renault was better while owners of the Renault swear by the VM. Enough said LOL.
A few 4.0 as well but it was aimed at the high-end market as in those day car taxes were based on engine displacement (and still today are based on HP).
Today XJ's are increasingly rare and those in good conditions do not come cheap at all (10k and up). I bought mine in June 2020 for 1500 (1200 + 350 registration) and it blew the head gasket 20 miles later on the way home + 400 Euro towing = 2000
2000 For a piece of junk with a blown motor, no paint left on the body, etc. etc. Good thing was the body was not much damaged (no signs of collisions dings/dents), FILTHY but not ripped interiors and most important a certificate of historical relevance which means zero taxes on ownership and much reduced insurance.
Owning the truck costs me just 150 insurance instead of about 1000 per year (taxes+insurance).
I bought it because prices were starting to increase and I wanted one before it became too expensive. The timing was good because today you won't find anything for less than 5000 no matter how beaten they are. They are a rare find even at junkyards. Fortunately spare parts are still not that hard to find and there's a few 4WD shops who buy them for scraps, dismantle and sell them for parts.
Emission laws, yes we have this problem. Mainly in big cities though. I live in rural area and even in the nearby towns I believe there are no emission laws (or if there are they are not enforced). Vehicles of historical relevance generally bypass these rules also in the cities, although I recently heard voices that now you are allowed to drive them in cities only if you are going to shows etc. Not my problem anyway.
Lift laws...basically you can't modify ANYTHING in Italy and obviously you cant install larger tires. Lift kits,the regulation is not clear because the heights are not written on the title so they can't check that when they pull you over. But tires are on the title so they are easy to check. And if the truck is not OK it's a 400 Euro ticket and they keep the title and send you to the Department of Motor Vehicles for inspection to get it back, which is the worst thing that can happen to a lifted truck's owner.
So, many people (including me) chose to "forget" the title home and pay the 40 Euro ticket for not carrying the title when they pull you over. You never know what the officer's wife's been up to the night before and the mood of the guy, so better not risk the title...
Alternatives are:
1) exporting the truck to Germany (where they can be modified) and reimport them with what you want registered onto the title (aftermarket bumpers, snorkels, lifts, big tires etc.. Cost 3000-4000 Euro just for the papers.
2) buying what we call "smart tires" which are rebuilt tires that display a size smaller than what they really are. I have 94 chevy silverado (with 35's on the title) and 10" of lift (7+3) and 38's "relabelled" 35x12.50x15. Obviously tire rebuilders won't label 38's as 31's. They hardly cheat more than a couple inches.
My XJ max size on the title is 215x75x15, and I am planning to install a home made 3" lift and relabelled 235's or maybe 30's when I am done restoring it.
Also I want to keep it as a daily driver and not make it as big as the silverado. Fuel costs here are crazy (about 4$ per gallon for gasoline and a little less for diesel) and trucks with big lifts/tires seldom get good fuel mileage.
Moving the silverado takes a loan here.
Catalitic converter theft, I never heard of. I live in a rural area and still leave the door unlocked when I go out, but if it was a problem I would have heard of it on the news. I heard of migrants from post communists countries and africa stealing power lines to resell copper (sometimes one gets incinerated in the process and makes the news), but nothing about catalitic converters theft. Perhaps because they don't get incinerated.
The XJ came with the 2.1TD Renault motor and later with the 2.5TD VM. Which of the two was worse and more unreliable is hard to tell. Owners of the VM motor swear the Renault was better while owners of the Renault swear by the VM. Enough said LOL.
A few 4.0 as well but it was aimed at the high-end market as in those day car taxes were based on engine displacement (and still today are based on HP).
Today XJ's are increasingly rare and those in good conditions do not come cheap at all (10k and up). I bought mine in June 2020 for 1500 (1200 + 350 registration) and it blew the head gasket 20 miles later on the way home + 400 Euro towing = 2000
2000 For a piece of junk with a blown motor, no paint left on the body, etc. etc. Good thing was the body was not much damaged (no signs of collisions dings/dents), FILTHY but not ripped interiors and most important a certificate of historical relevance which means zero taxes on ownership and much reduced insurance.
Owning the truck costs me just 150 insurance instead of about 1000 per year (taxes+insurance).
I bought it because prices were starting to increase and I wanted one before it became too expensive. The timing was good because today you won't find anything for less than 5000 no matter how beaten they are. They are a rare find even at junkyards. Fortunately spare parts are still not that hard to find and there's a few 4WD shops who buy them for scraps, dismantle and sell them for parts.
Emission laws, yes we have this problem. Mainly in big cities though. I live in rural area and even in the nearby towns I believe there are no emission laws (or if there are they are not enforced). Vehicles of historical relevance generally bypass these rules also in the cities, although I recently heard voices that now you are allowed to drive them in cities only if you are going to shows etc. Not my problem anyway.
Lift laws...basically you can't modify ANYTHING in Italy and obviously you cant install larger tires. Lift kits,the regulation is not clear because the heights are not written on the title so they can't check that when they pull you over. But tires are on the title so they are easy to check. And if the truck is not OK it's a 400 Euro ticket and they keep the title and send you to the Department of Motor Vehicles for inspection to get it back, which is the worst thing that can happen to a lifted truck's owner.
So, many people (including me) chose to "forget" the title home and pay the 40 Euro ticket for not carrying the title when they pull you over. You never know what the officer's wife's been up to the night before and the mood of the guy, so better not risk the title...
Alternatives are:
1) exporting the truck to Germany (where they can be modified) and reimport them with what you want registered onto the title (aftermarket bumpers, snorkels, lifts, big tires etc.. Cost 3000-4000 Euro just for the papers.
2) buying what we call "smart tires" which are rebuilt tires that display a size smaller than what they really are. I have 94 chevy silverado (with 35's on the title) and 10" of lift (7+3) and 38's "relabelled" 35x12.50x15. Obviously tire rebuilders won't label 38's as 31's. They hardly cheat more than a couple inches.
My XJ max size on the title is 215x75x15, and I am planning to install a home made 3" lift and relabelled 235's or maybe 30's when I am done restoring it.
Also I want to keep it as a daily driver and not make it as big as the silverado. Fuel costs here are crazy (about 4$ per gallon for gasoline and a little less for diesel) and trucks with big lifts/tires seldom get good fuel mileage.
Moving the silverado takes a loan here.
Catalitic converter theft, I never heard of. I live in a rural area and still leave the door unlocked when I go out, but if it was a problem I would have heard of it on the news. I heard of migrants from post communists countries and africa stealing power lines to resell copper (sometimes one gets incinerated in the process and makes the news), but nothing about catalitic converters theft. Perhaps because they don't get incinerated.
Lots of good information here, for me. If my job schedule holds true (Spring 2022), I should be going to Sigonella, Sicily. I've got an XJ Orvis in the U.K. that I plan on driving down. Looks like I'll have to understand Italian laws a bit & see what I'm exempt from, because I'll only be in Sicily for about 2 years, due to job status.
Any other information you'd care to share?
Here is a USA / Canada website I use to get used parts www.car-part.com
10-30-2021, 01:31 AM
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Well the XJ was very common in Italy back in the days. It sold BIG numbers distributed by Renault, it was basically the first widely spread 4WD, along with the early Japs (Mitsubishy Pajero, Toyota Land cruiser LJ, and Hi Lux and Nissan King Can pickup. But I remember the XJ came first, the japs were more on the late 80's.
The XJ came with the 2.1TD Renault motor and later with the 2.5TD VM. Which of the two was worse and more unreliable is hard to tell. Owners of the VM motor swear the Renault was better while owners of the Renault swear by the VM. Enough said LOL.
A few 4.0 as well but it was aimed at the high-end market as in those day car taxes were based on engine displacement (and still today are based on HP).
Today XJ's are increasingly rare and those in good conditions do not come cheap at all (10k and up). I bought mine in June 2020 for 1500 (1200 + 350 registration) and it blew the head gasket 20 miles later on the way home + 400 Euro towing = 2000
2000 For a piece of junk with a blown motor, no paint left on the body, etc. etc. Good thing was the body was not much damaged (no signs of collisions dings/dents), FILTHY but not ripped interiors and most important a certificate of historical relevance which means zero taxes on ownership and much reduced insurance.
Owning the truck costs me just 150 insurance instead of about 1000 per year (taxes+insurance).
I bought it because prices were starting to increase and I wanted one before it became too expensive. The timing was good because today you won't find anything for less than 5000 no matter how beaten they are. They are a rare find even at junkyards. Fortunately spare parts are still not that hard to find and there's a few 4WD shops who buy them for scraps, dismantle and sell them for parts.
Emission laws, yes we have this problem. Mainly in big cities though. I live in rural area and even in the nearby towns I believe there are no emission laws (or if there are they are not enforced). Vehicles of historical relevance generally bypass these rules also in the cities, although I recently heard voices that now you are allowed to drive them in cities only if you are going to shows etc. Not my problem anyway.
Lift laws...basically you can't modify ANYTHING in Italy and obviously you cant install larger tires. Lift kits,the regulation is not clear because the heights are not written on the title so they can't check that when they pull you over. But tires are on the title so they are easy to check. And if the truck is not OK it's a 400 Euro ticket and they keep the title and send you to the Department of Motor Vehicles for inspection to get it back, which is the worst thing that can happen to a lifted truck's owner.
So, many people (including me) chose to "forget" the title home and pay the 40 Euro ticket for not carrying the title when they pull you over. You never know what the officer's wife's been up to the night before and the mood of the guy, so better not risk the title...
Alternatives are:
1) exporting the truck to Germany (where they can be modified) and reimport them with what you want registered onto the title (aftermarket bumpers, snorkels, lifts, big tires etc.. Cost 3000-4000 Euro just for the papers.
2) buying what we call "smart tires" which are rebuilt tires that display a size smaller than what they really are. I have 94 chevy silverado (with 35's on the title) and 10" of lift (7+3) and 38's "relabelled" 35x12.50x15. Obviously tire rebuilders won't label 38's as 31's. They hardly cheat more than a couple inches.
My XJ max size on the title is 215x75x15, and I am planning to install a home made 3" lift and relabelled 235's or maybe 30's when I am done restoring it.
Also I want to keep it as a daily driver and not make it as big as the silverado. Fuel costs here are crazy (about 4$ per gallon for gasoline and a little less for diesel) and trucks with big lifts/tires seldom get good fuel mileage.
Moving the silverado takes a loan here.
Catalitic converter theft, I never heard of. I live in a rural area and still leave the door unlocked when I go out, but if it was a problem I would have heard of it on the news. I heard of migrants from post communists countries and africa stealing power lines to resell copper (sometimes one gets incinerated in the process and makes the news), but nothing about catalitic converters theft. Perhaps because they don't get incinerated.
The XJ came with the 2.1TD Renault motor and later with the 2.5TD VM. Which of the two was worse and more unreliable is hard to tell. Owners of the VM motor swear the Renault was better while owners of the Renault swear by the VM. Enough said LOL.
A few 4.0 as well but it was aimed at the high-end market as in those day car taxes were based on engine displacement (and still today are based on HP).
Today XJ's are increasingly rare and those in good conditions do not come cheap at all (10k and up). I bought mine in June 2020 for 1500 (1200 + 350 registration) and it blew the head gasket 20 miles later on the way home + 400 Euro towing = 2000
2000 For a piece of junk with a blown motor, no paint left on the body, etc. etc. Good thing was the body was not much damaged (no signs of collisions dings/dents), FILTHY but not ripped interiors and most important a certificate of historical relevance which means zero taxes on ownership and much reduced insurance.
Owning the truck costs me just 150 insurance instead of about 1000 per year (taxes+insurance).
I bought it because prices were starting to increase and I wanted one before it became too expensive. The timing was good because today you won't find anything for less than 5000 no matter how beaten they are. They are a rare find even at junkyards. Fortunately spare parts are still not that hard to find and there's a few 4WD shops who buy them for scraps, dismantle and sell them for parts.
Emission laws, yes we have this problem. Mainly in big cities though. I live in rural area and even in the nearby towns I believe there are no emission laws (or if there are they are not enforced). Vehicles of historical relevance generally bypass these rules also in the cities, although I recently heard voices that now you are allowed to drive them in cities only if you are going to shows etc. Not my problem anyway.
Lift laws...basically you can't modify ANYTHING in Italy and obviously you cant install larger tires. Lift kits,the regulation is not clear because the heights are not written on the title so they can't check that when they pull you over. But tires are on the title so they are easy to check. And if the truck is not OK it's a 400 Euro ticket and they keep the title and send you to the Department of Motor Vehicles for inspection to get it back, which is the worst thing that can happen to a lifted truck's owner.
So, many people (including me) chose to "forget" the title home and pay the 40 Euro ticket for not carrying the title when they pull you over. You never know what the officer's wife's been up to the night before and the mood of the guy, so better not risk the title...
Alternatives are:
1) exporting the truck to Germany (where they can be modified) and reimport them with what you want registered onto the title (aftermarket bumpers, snorkels, lifts, big tires etc.. Cost 3000-4000 Euro just for the papers.
2) buying what we call "smart tires" which are rebuilt tires that display a size smaller than what they really are. I have 94 chevy silverado (with 35's on the title) and 10" of lift (7+3) and 38's "relabelled" 35x12.50x15. Obviously tire rebuilders won't label 38's as 31's. They hardly cheat more than a couple inches.
My XJ max size on the title is 215x75x15, and I am planning to install a home made 3" lift and relabelled 235's or maybe 30's when I am done restoring it.
Also I want to keep it as a daily driver and not make it as big as the silverado. Fuel costs here are crazy (about 4$ per gallon for gasoline and a little less for diesel) and trucks with big lifts/tires seldom get good fuel mileage.
Moving the silverado takes a loan here.
Catalitic converter theft, I never heard of. I live in a rural area and still leave the door unlocked when I go out, but if it was a problem I would have heard of it on the news. I heard of migrants from post communists countries and africa stealing power lines to resell copper (sometimes one gets incinerated in the process and makes the news), but nothing about catalitic converters theft. Perhaps because they don't get incinerated.
Lots of good information here, for me. If my job schedule holds true (Spring 2022), I should be going to Sigonella, Sicily. I've got an XJ Orvis in the U.K. that I plan on driving down. Looks like I'll have to understand Italian laws a bit & see what I'm exempt from, because I'll only be in Sicily for about 2 years, due to job status.
Any other information you'd care to share?
Here is a USA / Canada website I use to get used parts www.car-part.com
10-30-2021, 04:35 AM
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Sigonella is a military base. From what I know Italian laws do not apply to military base personnel (unless things changed recently, which I doubt).
When I was a (very) young man, in late 80's, I used to buy parts for my Chevy Blazer from a former military of the NATO base in Naples, Peter D----n.
He imported parts from USA on military cargo aircrafts bypassing shipping fares, import fees and taxes LOL.
You could basically buy parts from Peter's Garage for little more than the price they were advertised on four wheeler magazine, instead of 3-4 times the price buying from "regular" shops.
I visited him once to pick up a 383 crate engine, and he had all these cars and trucks owned by militaries, and all of them had US licence plates on them. So I assume you will not even be required to register your car in Italy, let alone follow our silly lift laws.
Furthermore, in Sicily cops apparently dont mind about modded trucks. On the Italian forums I see guys from Sicily driving trucks that you'd get "arrested and throw away the key" for driving in any other part of the country. Sicilians apparently disregard the fact that trucks driven on public roads are supposed to be street legal, (or at least appear to be...)
Guess cops have much more dangerous things to worry about in Sicily than lifted trucks LOL.
BTW, the shops I mentioned which dismantle XJ's and sell them for parts are all located in Sicily (in the area of Catania), so you won't have any problem in finding parts for your truck locally, new or coming from some scrapped truck.
www.fourxrocker.it
https://offroadmammana.it
When I was a (very) young man, in late 80's, I used to buy parts for my Chevy Blazer from a former military of the NATO base in Naples, Peter D----n.
He imported parts from USA on military cargo aircrafts bypassing shipping fares, import fees and taxes LOL.
You could basically buy parts from Peter's Garage for little more than the price they were advertised on four wheeler magazine, instead of 3-4 times the price buying from "regular" shops.
I visited him once to pick up a 383 crate engine, and he had all these cars and trucks owned by militaries, and all of them had US licence plates on them. So I assume you will not even be required to register your car in Italy, let alone follow our silly lift laws.
Furthermore, in Sicily cops apparently dont mind about modded trucks. On the Italian forums I see guys from Sicily driving trucks that you'd get "arrested and throw away the key" for driving in any other part of the country. Sicilians apparently disregard the fact that trucks driven on public roads are supposed to be street legal, (or at least appear to be...)
Guess cops have much more dangerous things to worry about in Sicily than lifted trucks LOL.
BTW, the shops I mentioned which dismantle XJ's and sell them for parts are all located in Sicily (in the area of Catania), so you won't have any problem in finding parts for your truck locally, new or coming from some scrapped truck.
www.fourxrocker.it
https://offroadmammana.it
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10-30-2021, 05:52 PM
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Thank you Sir!!! You are very well knowledge. I'm looking forward to my work assignment starting & if I need afew XJ parts, now I have some local leads. Now I wonder what will happen when I drive around mainland Italy. With the "GB" sticker on the back window & Italian /Euro license plates, will the mainland police stop me? I guess I'll find out.
10-31-2021, 04:26 AM
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It's not so much the license plates as it is the "registration" which more or less is similar to the title in US + all the tech details of the car/truck. Year, VIN, Engine, transmission, tires, if it has a hitch and how much it can tow etc.
A vehicle which is not "registered" in Italy can be driven on the Italian territory for a maximum of 12 months, no matter if the owner is Italian or not, and after that it has to be registered in Italy.
I doubt this rule of the 12 months applies to NATO bases militaries though, but in any case you will not have a problem for the first year. During that period you will have all the time to look into the matter with your colleagues.
If you want to do anything to your Jeep (lift, tires, etc.) , do it in UK if you have the chance, and have it recorded on the UK registration (at least the tire size). What is on the UK registration will be automatically transferred to the Italian "title" in case you need to register the truck in Italy. And if you decide to sell the truck when you're leaving Sicily, the truck will have a much higher resell value if all the mods are registered, because they are street legal.
A vehicle which is not "registered" in Italy can be driven on the Italian territory for a maximum of 12 months, no matter if the owner is Italian or not, and after that it has to be registered in Italy.
I doubt this rule of the 12 months applies to NATO bases militaries though, but in any case you will not have a problem for the first year. During that period you will have all the time to look into the matter with your colleagues.
If you want to do anything to your Jeep (lift, tires, etc.) , do it in UK if you have the chance, and have it recorded on the UK registration (at least the tire size). What is on the UK registration will be automatically transferred to the Italian "title" in case you need to register the truck in Italy. And if you decide to sell the truck when you're leaving Sicily, the truck will have a much higher resell value if all the mods are registered, because they are street legal.
11-02-2021, 04:23 AM
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Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: Fire breathing 4 point Oh!!!
Good to know. I just need to get back to the UK to continue to work on the build & get it registered. Then hopefully Sicily, sometime early next year. Work afew years on Sicily & then I don't really know with the Jeep.
11-02-2021, 10:02 PM
#39
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I need help about the inner fenders for my XJ.
I wouldn't bother going to a junk yard and looking for new ones. The plastic they used on those gets brittle from age, and when you touch them the plastic just breaks like very toasted bread! lol.
Last edited by Jeepwalker; 11-02-2021 at 10:12 PM.
11-03-2021, 10:47 AM
#40
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I ordered the fender liners after confirmation from the seller they will fit my vehicle. Seller is located in Spain so the parts will take a few days to be delivered. Thanks for the idea to keep them in a warm place before installing them. Given the time of the year I guess the car is not the best place to keep them warm LOL (other than when it is being driven since I restored the heating system hehehe !).
I have no idea exactly how they are installed and what are the nuts you mentioned which could be rusty. What was left of the old ones (not much) crumbled to pieces by barely touching.
I see there are some plastic "pressure bolts" (whatever the things are called) that I believe are intended to secure the fender liners, guess when I get the parts I will understand how to install them.
Yes, this truck was originally coming from southern italy where the climate is mostly dry and warm. It had a few rust spots and some holes in the floor but could be much much worse since it is 33 yrs old.
No rust at all under the fenders, so I hope it shouldnt be too difficult installing the new liners, if they fit the existing holes/bolts.
I have no idea exactly how they are installed and what are the nuts you mentioned which could be rusty. What was left of the old ones (not much) crumbled to pieces by barely touching.
I see there are some plastic "pressure bolts" (whatever the things are called) that I believe are intended to secure the fender liners, guess when I get the parts I will understand how to install them.
Yes, this truck was originally coming from southern italy where the climate is mostly dry and warm. It had a few rust spots and some holes in the floor but could be much much worse since it is 33 yrs old.
No rust at all under the fenders, so I hope it shouldnt be too difficult installing the new liners, if they fit the existing holes/bolts.
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