96 Cherokee needs to be lowered
#46
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From: Manitoba, Canada
Year: 1992
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Glad my father had no say in what vehicle I drove. These vehicles were plenty safe in there days and I still feel safe in mine every time I drive it. Even with it being lifted 4.5" with 33's.
One thing I am thankful for is his help along the ways of building mine and all my other vehicle projects. I suggest you keep that in mind for your son, its a lifesaver and a money saver to know how to work on your own vehicles, and yet alone just the satisfaction.
One thing I am thankful for is his help along the ways of building mine and all my other vehicle projects. I suggest you keep that in mind for your son, its a lifesaver and a money saver to know how to work on your own vehicles, and yet alone just the satisfaction.
#47
I also feel your pain. Hell if it was me he wouldn't be driving it on the highway with any amount of lift, or even stock. Idc what anyone says, these old XJ's are really not highway vehicles. If it was at all possible for him to avoid highways, that's what I'd be looking into, but maybe that's just me.
My wife now drives our XJ to work every day, but only the back way. The highway is strictly off limits. It has a bit of a wobble at 55 due to the tires, but even when it's totally fixed next year, it's still not going on the highway unless I'm driving (and even I avoid them with it).
To be fair the highway in question near me is extremely dangerous, and I have driven it for many years. I'm talking multiple accidents every day within a few mile stretch, and it's very narrow and ya...a 1989 vehicle of any sort should probably be avoiding it, let alone an XJ. They don't have the best braking system in the world, and of course they don't compare to newer cars as far as safety measures are concerned, and they're simply old. These aren't issues from 0-50mph.
These are amazing vehicles, but to me they're 0-50mph vehicles, period. I'm sure that's a very hated opinion on here, but idgaf.
My wife now drives our XJ to work every day, but only the back way. The highway is strictly off limits. It has a bit of a wobble at 55 due to the tires, but even when it's totally fixed next year, it's still not going on the highway unless I'm driving (and even I avoid them with it).
To be fair the highway in question near me is extremely dangerous, and I have driven it for many years. I'm talking multiple accidents every day within a few mile stretch, and it's very narrow and ya...a 1989 vehicle of any sort should probably be avoiding it, let alone an XJ. They don't have the best braking system in the world, and of course they don't compare to newer cars as far as safety measures are concerned, and they're simply old. These aren't issues from 0-50mph.
These are amazing vehicles, but to me they're 0-50mph vehicles, period. I'm sure that's a very hated opinion on here, but idgaf.
I think it depends on how you drive and not so much what you drive? Just my two cents.
#48
There seems to be a lot of contention in this thread about whether or not xjs are safe and or are safe for young drivers but I don't think the original question or issue was actually addressed. Im going to assume that to get 6 inches of lift you either have a package lift (full aftermarket kit) or a junkyard lift with blocks and or hack pack leafs and spacers and long reach shocks and aftermarket coils unless they just stacked too many spacers. either way I would recommend going to junkyard and getting stock springs which will most likely be weak so check Jc whitney and get a helper spring set for the rear to give them a more level if not slightly higher than stock stance for the front get a set of stock coil springs and an inexpensive 2 inch lift blocks( or rings more accurate description) on the stock springs. I would recommend buying new stock length shocks. other issues to look for are drive shafts to see if they have been modified for the additional lift and the anti sway bar end links If so then get these from the donor vehicle as well. This is roughly the same set up I am running on my 92 XJ and I drive it as a daily driver with good year wrangler 235-75-15 tires on it $83 each at Wal-Mart. It drives well is quiet and performs well in rain snow and even on ice that we had a lot of last year. A good alignment will most likely address any death wobble issues on a stock or near stock set up. IMHO most death wobble issues are the result of poorly engineered mods in combination with worn suspension components coupled with large tires. When I bought mine It had death wobble issues on worn tires. New tires shocks and an alignment afterward completely eliminated the issue. hope this helps
#49
I do not think that the original post was meant to be malicious against the XJ platform of the driver by any stretch of the imagination. It is a 'parental thing'. Parents will always worry about our children. I still worry about my oldest and always check his vehicle over when he comes by (no matter how much he protests). We only want our children to be safe. When they or even we buy a vehicle that has been modified by someone other than us we tend to worry. So humor us! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
#50
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From: Mercer County, NJ
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6 HO
I would. I wouldn't let my kid. I also wouldn't recommend in a million years that anyone that isn't a decently experienced mechanic to get an XJ as a daily driver if your driving requires a lot of highway miles. I know that is off topic, as this whole discussion really is, but that's just how I feel.
Look at my done list in my sig (which isn't even up to date at this point) - if it was someone that didn't know what they were doing, they'd be over $8000 into the Jeep by now in shop fees/shop part prices, without exaggeration, and I STILL have wobble. I understand the rest of the issues it has, and I understand it'll be safe on the highway once it's done (and it already is, the wobble has been taken care of by about 80% since I bought it) but that doesn't mean I'd want a new driver like my kid (or in my case my wife) driving it down a highway every day over 55mph.
Out of all the people I have talked to that have had Cherokees, the few Jeep guys I knew had wobble and took care of it, but I have talked to probably over a dozen people that have had Cherokees/wranglers and got rid of them due to the wobble since they weren't mechanics and were tired of "throwing parts at them" - again, off topic, but whatever.
This thing is a utility vehicle to me, and an oh-$hit situation vehicle, whether that means snow or a zombie apocalypse. To have it as an only vehicle when highway driving is needed is just not the smartest thing, I'd go and get virtually any other car to do that with, even just for gas consumption alone.
Look at my done list in my sig (which isn't even up to date at this point) - if it was someone that didn't know what they were doing, they'd be over $8000 into the Jeep by now in shop fees/shop part prices, without exaggeration, and I STILL have wobble. I understand the rest of the issues it has, and I understand it'll be safe on the highway once it's done (and it already is, the wobble has been taken care of by about 80% since I bought it) but that doesn't mean I'd want a new driver like my kid (or in my case my wife) driving it down a highway every day over 55mph.
Out of all the people I have talked to that have had Cherokees, the few Jeep guys I knew had wobble and took care of it, but I have talked to probably over a dozen people that have had Cherokees/wranglers and got rid of them due to the wobble since they weren't mechanics and were tired of "throwing parts at them" - again, off topic, but whatever.
This thing is a utility vehicle to me, and an oh-$hit situation vehicle, whether that means snow or a zombie apocalypse. To have it as an only vehicle when highway driving is needed is just not the smartest thing, I'd go and get virtually any other car to do that with, even just for gas consumption alone.
#51
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From: Blunt, South Dakota
Year: 97
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.6 stroker
This thread brings the lulz, for sure. I drive a lifted cherokee. Daily. Have done so for years. It goes on the freeway. It goes on the street. It goes off-road. Never has it imploded while driving it. I've had all kinds of vehicles. Sports cars, 4wd, VW bugs, Saab's, sedans, coupes, 2 doors, 4 doors, several motorcycles, both on and off road, a couple crotch rockets, a couple enduros, a couple cruisers, a van at one point, and they all drove just fine.
Here's the bottom line. You need to know how to drive it. Each vehicle is different. Hence, you need to learn how to drive each vehicle you own. OP...you have a son who's new to driving. Don't just teach him to drive. Teach him to drive accordingly. If he's going to be driving a lifted cherokee, then teach him what driving a lifted cherokee should be, what it's limits are, on and off road, how a higher center of gravity affects turning at speed, how speed factors into everything you do in this choice of car. It is not a sports car. Drive it like it is meant to be driven. If you're nervous about him driving it, then get him a different car to learn with. But definitely let him experience different vehicles.
Teach him respect for what he drives. Make sure he knows the pros and cons. Some vehicles handle like they're on rails, some of them take finesse to drive, and some of them can damn near drive themselves now, LOL...education is key.
Here's the bottom line. You need to know how to drive it. Each vehicle is different. Hence, you need to learn how to drive each vehicle you own. OP...you have a son who's new to driving. Don't just teach him to drive. Teach him to drive accordingly. If he's going to be driving a lifted cherokee, then teach him what driving a lifted cherokee should be, what it's limits are, on and off road, how a higher center of gravity affects turning at speed, how speed factors into everything you do in this choice of car. It is not a sports car. Drive it like it is meant to be driven. If you're nervous about him driving it, then get him a different car to learn with. But definitely let him experience different vehicles.
Teach him respect for what he drives. Make sure he knows the pros and cons. Some vehicles handle like they're on rails, some of them take finesse to drive, and some of them can damn near drive themselves now, LOL...education is key.
#52
I wouldn't hesitate to put anyone in a stockish xj. I lifted mine ~2.5" and the instability is noticeable, but not to a point of concern. lifted on the CHEAP to contend with sagging leafs (AAL and pucks reusing all other stock parts), but i couldn't be happier. I'm looking into what it will take to restore the handling characteristics as i loved how my xj drove and performed in stock trim.
to the OP: it sounds like you're on the right road. i would honestly consider a huge lifted xj to be more of a concern on backroads than the highway. i think it'd be much easier to midjudge the required speed for a tight turn than it would be to let the xj wander off the road. if it were my child i would do what i think is right and definitely take the time to educate them to its response, as aforementioned. take him out somewhere and let him put it through its paces braking, turning, sliding, etc. regarding driving: the best thing i did for myself when i was younger is drive around in fields and woods crashing, sliding, ramping, rolling, etc - cars and trucks. doing donuts in the snow and constantly acting a fool when i was the only one at risk. it would've been nice having someone to teach me. i can't wait for my daughter to reach driving age. we're gonna have some fun! jumping creeks in the woods and making passes at the drag strip.
to the OP: it sounds like you're on the right road. i would honestly consider a huge lifted xj to be more of a concern on backroads than the highway. i think it'd be much easier to midjudge the required speed for a tight turn than it would be to let the xj wander off the road. if it were my child i would do what i think is right and definitely take the time to educate them to its response, as aforementioned. take him out somewhere and let him put it through its paces braking, turning, sliding, etc. regarding driving: the best thing i did for myself when i was younger is drive around in fields and woods crashing, sliding, ramping, rolling, etc - cars and trucks. doing donuts in the snow and constantly acting a fool when i was the only one at risk. it would've been nice having someone to teach me. i can't wait for my daughter to reach driving age. we're gonna have some fun! jumping creeks in the woods and making passes at the drag strip.
#53
Ok we will take jeep to a local frontend shop that does a lot of 4x4 stuff and have them evaluate it. Immediate need is a drivers door latch which is 96 only!!! Any suggestion on finding one since not able to post on classifieds yet?
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