96XJ - Coolant reservoir almost empty
#16
Old fart with a wrench
The best way to remove a heater hose or radiator hose is to twist it to break the bond before you pull in it. If it won't twist easily, try sticking a screwdriver under it or CAREFULLY split it with a knife blade, trying not to scratch the pipe.
#17
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It's a chunk of standard 5/8 heater hose you can buy in ANY auto parts store, for cripes sake! Absolutely nothing special. AND get rid of those spring-action clamps! Use new worm-drive clamps. You can eliminate that heater control valve and run both hoses direct to the heater core. Just cap off the vacuum line.
#18
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I’ll disagree with everyone else and it’s an on going discussion almost daily at work but the spring clamps are 10 times better IMHO. When you replace your heater hose it will be nice and soft and new . After some time of driving and heat cycles the clamp will form shape into the hose and where the spring clamp will retain its clamping force the worm clamp will lose its clamping force and cause a leak . I’ve seen way too many engines under warranty fried due to worm clamps on radiator/heater hoses a week or two down the road or better . I might be the ONLY mechanic on here that thinks this way but you couldn’t convince me otherwise .
#19
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My 92 was loosing enough water where I had to refill the res once a week.
turned out the heater control valve was cracked. I replaced the original valve and not a year later the chinese POS cracked again.
Removed said valve and used barbed connectors to connect those hoses.
No leaks and heater/ac runs just fine.
turned out the heater control valve was cracked. I replaced the original valve and not a year later the chinese POS cracked again.
Removed said valve and used barbed connectors to connect those hoses.
No leaks and heater/ac runs just fine.
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Personally, I like the worm drive clamps simply because I can get a screwdriver on them more easily than pliers and when they're old and rusty it's easier to break the worm drive ones free. To each their own though.
Definitely eliminate that heater control valve. Not only do the 97+ hoses fit -perfectly- (if you're like me and prefer the moulded hose - regular hose can be used as well), but having coolant moving through and not sitting stagnant in the heater core will preserve it's life and like someone said - it's a 10 hour job (if everything goes well) to replace the core.
Definitely eliminate that heater control valve. Not only do the 97+ hoses fit -perfectly- (if you're like me and prefer the moulded hose - regular hose can be used as well), but having coolant moving through and not sitting stagnant in the heater core will preserve it's life and like someone said - it's a 10 hour job (if everything goes well) to replace the core.
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Personally, I like the worm drive clamps simply because I can get a screwdriver on them more easily than pliers and when they're old and rusty it's easier to break the worm drive ones free. To each their own though.
Definitely eliminate that heater control valve. Not only do the 97+ hoses fit -perfectly- (if you're like me and prefer the moulded hose - regular hose can be used as well), but having coolant moving through and not sitting stagnant in the heater core will preserve it's life and like someone said - it's a 10 hour job (if everything goes well) to replace the core.
Definitely eliminate that heater control valve. Not only do the 97+ hoses fit -perfectly- (if you're like me and prefer the moulded hose - regular hose can be used as well), but having coolant moving through and not sitting stagnant in the heater core will preserve it's life and like someone said - it's a 10 hour job (if everything goes well) to replace the core.
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#22
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In my opinion the hose from the thermostat housing should go to the lower pipe if they are vertical. That way any trapped air can vent itself upward and out to the water pump. If they come thru the firewall side by side, you need to figure out which one enters the bottom of the core. Doing this with every car I've owned eliminates air blockages in the heater core. Just my opinion.
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I personally hate those spring clamps and always switch out for a worm clamp.
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There is no downside to eliminating the HCV. If anything the ONLY advantage would be if either 1 - the heater core leaks and you are lazy and don't want to bypass it right away or 2 - If your blend door is super leaky (unlikely)
You can just buy the 97+ heater hoses if you just want to "plug and play" hoses without worrying about sizes.
I did the HCV elimination on my 95 and never looked back - easy peazy - works awesome.
You can just buy the 97+ heater hoses if you just want to "plug and play" hoses without worrying about sizes.
I did the HCV elimination on my 95 and never looked back - easy peazy - works awesome.
#25
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It's a small item, but I thought you said it was in fantastic shape. Keep it in good shape. Once you go down the road or bypassing this and that, going cheap on replacing something ...well, then in a few years you realize you own a cobbled up POS. I'm sure most people here disagree with that philosophy though. So disregard this post.
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It's a small item, but I thought you said it was in fantastic shape. Keep it in good shape. Once you go down the road or bypassing this and that, going cheap on replacing something ...well, then in a few years you realize you own a cobbled up POS. I'm sure most people here disagree with that philosophy though. So disregard this post.
If you do keep the HCV then the only thing I'd suggest is that you make sure that once a week or so in the summertime that you run the heat on full for a few minutes when the engine is at temp to cycle the coolant through the heater core. This is similar to how you should run the A/C (or defrost in modern vehicles) during the winter to cycle the refrigerant so it lubricates the o-rings.
I will say that I had no trouble with my HCV - for me it was the coolant cycling and the multiple reports of problems with the HCV failing that sold me on the elimination. However, that's me - I live in New England and the winters are brutal and our only other vehicle is a Corolla that gets stuck in a couple inches of snow - I like having heat in the Jeep and have plenty of other projects I'd prefer to do than replace a heater core.
As far as "Cobbled together" - I'd view the HCV elimination as more of an "upgrade" type thing rather than a hack. Similar to doing the headlight harness upgrade or following Cruiser's tips if you have a Renix-era XJ. Again, just my own opinion though and other opinions are no less valid. It's your Jeep - advice and recommendations from the forum are simply that - advice and recommendations that you can take or leave as you choose.
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It's a small item, but I thought you said it was in fantastic shape. Keep it in good shape. Once you go down the road or bypassing this and that, going cheap on replacing something ...well, then in a few years you realize you own a cobbled up POS. I'm sure most people here disagree with that philosophy though. So disregard this post.
#28
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I ordered the '97 heater hoses, new hose clamps, and I went ahead and ordered upper and lower radiator hoses as well. Planning on doing a coolant system flush and then replacing everything with new clamps. Should get my parts and install on Tuesday. I'll let you know how it goes!
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