Skunkape

Pull the relay in the power dist center it should go out out,mine did, if not yank the cluster(not a big deal) and pull the bulb if it really bugs you

JeepingDan

I never liked the feeling of still rolling no matter how hard you stand on the brake.
I think it's more for people with bad driving skills.

1armyguy

I think I did this but, just to be sure can you clarify where the power distrobution center is that you are speaking of?

Thanks again for all the help

Skunkape

Under the hood,the black box on the passenger side.I believe it is labeled ABS Light.its a small black relay(solenoid) towards the rear of the box

Gee oh Dee

Oh yeah, I knew you were being sarcastic, and I didn't mean to come off like an ***, as I'm sure I could've. I was merely using your post as an example that most folk don't know how to drive. The test you brought up simulates what an idiot would do.

1armyguy

Yeah, I tried that one too and that light stayed on so I pulled the ABS Motor and Selonoid fuses and put the other one back in. Should I take it back out and wait a while to see what happens?

Skunkape

Yeah take em all out,should go off

1armyguy

Amazing what happens when you take out the right relay. In a rush to do this I took out the A/C Clutch relay the first time, that's why the ABS light stayed on. I looked at the cover again and referenced the ABS Motor and Solenoid Fuse positions and realized what I had done. Need to remember not to be in such a rush.

Thanks again for the help.

Skunkape

Lol Cool I knew you would get it

Northwoods Snowman

Just an FYI to people generally, don't overestimate your driving skills in a panic situation. Normally I hate ABS with a passion, I can stop faster with out it, when I have time to think about what I'm doing. I totaled my Subaru Legacy GT this fall because some idiot slammed on their brakes a few cars ahead of me starting a chain reaction, and by the time the SUV in front of me about locked up their wheels and hit the car in front of them, I had about a half second to react. I was only doing about 25 coming up to turn at a light and was already on the brakes slowing down. Yeah, normally I don't just slam on the brakes but in this case I did. Didn't even have time to think about pulling over to the side to avoid the guy stopped dead in his tracks in front of me. I'm a little more respectful of ABS now.

ABS is designed to help keep control in a panic situation. When you have half a second to react to something going on in front of you and make a decision that leads to you hitting someone or missing them, don't assume you'll start pumping the brake to keep control when the road is slick. You don't really know how you'll react until you get into a situation requiring it. I surprised myself with my brake jamming reaction.

Personally I think the best response is what someone said a few posts up, when you go off-road, yank the relay to disable the system. I wouldn't just rip the whole system out (unless it was in need of extremely expensive repairs). Just my .02

Gee oh Dee

Maybe its because I've been driving for 10+ years, but I never have issues with emergency stops. I've had both ABS and non ABS vehicles, more without ABS.

I honestly prefer knowing what my brakes are gonna do, because I know what I'm going to do in the event of an emergency stop. I've had to preform several living in Milwakee, a city that has horrid drivers. To me, ABS is just adding another unknown variable into my "holy **** I need to stop" equasion.

2Evil4U

I have owned many cars with ABS and even more cars without ABS. In my experience, the dry pavement performance of the ABS systems has always and still continues to suck. If I'm even braking normally and the road is moderately rough, the bumps will trigger the ABS in the Ram, my F150, and Durango. This always ends up increasing my stopping distance because the car does not continue to slow while the brakes are trying to figure out what to do.

In 2003, while driving in traffic on a two-lane, a drunk teenager ran a stop sign and I broadsided him. I was on the brakes of my '02 Intrepid R/T to the floor and it started to slow, but then the ABS kicked in and the nose of the car actually rose as it stopped slowing.

It's probably all in my head, but I don't like ABS on dry pavement. It has its purpose, if you're driving over your head in slippery conditions, I suppose.

The only vehicle I've ever owned that I fully trusted the ABS system to save me under all circumstances was my 2007 BMW R1200GS Adventure. The braking system on that motorcycle was awesome. My driveway is 300' of dirt onto a concrete pad at my garage. I could be rolling down my driveway at 35mph, Grab the brakes as hard as possible in the dirt, the ABS would activate, the bike would start slowing predictably and as it transitioned onto the concrete from the dirt, it would just continue to stop without the ABS and without upsetting the bike. It was incredible.

Another problem I had with my old 2001 Durango was its open rear gears. The ABS on that thing was controlled by a ring gear on the differential so it didn't know what the wheels were doing. On more than one occasion, I had one wheel spinning backwards in snow because it was trying to modulate the rear brakes based on the differential rather than the wheels. I had to install a powertrax locker and that fixed the problem.

Gee oh Dee

My Wrangler does the same dry pavement garbage that your vehicles do.

Pretty flippin annoying.

I almost have to treat it like non ABS (almost pumping) to get it to stop normally.

leecarr

I hate ABS, learned to drive without them (over 35 yrs ago). They should be called anti stop brakes, you lose control when they engage. I think the driver should control the brakes not the other way around. Just my opinion.

2Evil4U

Exactly. On dry pavement, I do the same thing. If I encounter rough stuff, (which, here in Louisiana, I always do,) I just pump the brakes to keep it out of ABS.