Advice on gears and lockers
#31
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From: Wrightstown, NJ
Year: 1986 Comanche
Engine: Chevy 350
Everyone has missed one point here which is kinda important. In order to upgrade to the higher gears (aka 4.88's), you will need to change the carrier also as I'm assuming the gears are 3.55's? The cut off point for the Dana 30 is 3.73's while the 44 (I believe) is 3.55's, don't quote me on the Dana 44 one though as it's in that area.
With that said, I prefer the full lockers for the rear atleast. If it is going to be driver on the street then you will want to disengage the rear axle or the tires will get eaten up fast. Unless you are really extreme with the wheeling, you should be able to get away with an Aussie in the front, if you so choose.
I prefer full lockers for both as with the lunchbox lockers, the axle is only as strong as the stock carrier. The stock carriers were not designed to put up with these kind of loads, many of my buddies have cracked carriers and chipped gears due to the flex caused by the lunchbox locker.
As I said earlier, I prefer full selectable lockers. In my old Cherokee (8" lift on 36's), I was running custom made Dana 44's front and rear with an OX in the rear and ARB in the front. The OX is nice because it is cable actuated so you can feel it engage while the ARB is nice cause since I didn't have to do anything but hit two switches.
If you do plan on making that an extreme wheeler, you will also want to consider upgrading the Dana 30HP to something a bit beefier. I went through three Dana 30HP's (bent two housings and blew up the carrier in the 3rd) before throwing in a Dana 44HP. This also eliminates the wheel hub issue, which the 35's will eat up fairly fast.
I have plenty of experience going big if you have any questions. My Comanche is lifted 8" right now but she is getting one ton axles and a V8. Also, both the Cherokee and this Comanche were/are daily drivers so I didn't go out to try to break them when I did go out, these were just the weak points that I've encountered.
With that said, I prefer the full lockers for the rear atleast. If it is going to be driver on the street then you will want to disengage the rear axle or the tires will get eaten up fast. Unless you are really extreme with the wheeling, you should be able to get away with an Aussie in the front, if you so choose.
I prefer full lockers for both as with the lunchbox lockers, the axle is only as strong as the stock carrier. The stock carriers were not designed to put up with these kind of loads, many of my buddies have cracked carriers and chipped gears due to the flex caused by the lunchbox locker.
As I said earlier, I prefer full selectable lockers. In my old Cherokee (8" lift on 36's), I was running custom made Dana 44's front and rear with an OX in the rear and ARB in the front. The OX is nice because it is cable actuated so you can feel it engage while the ARB is nice cause since I didn't have to do anything but hit two switches.
If you do plan on making that an extreme wheeler, you will also want to consider upgrading the Dana 30HP to something a bit beefier. I went through three Dana 30HP's (bent two housings and blew up the carrier in the 3rd) before throwing in a Dana 44HP. This also eliminates the wheel hub issue, which the 35's will eat up fairly fast.
I have plenty of experience going big if you have any questions. My Comanche is lifted 8" right now but she is getting one ton axles and a V8. Also, both the Cherokee and this Comanche were/are daily drivers so I didn't go out to try to break them when I did go out, these were just the weak points that I've encountered.
#32
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From: Payson, UT
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Now you can beef up the 30 to eithstand big tires ironrockoffroad sells weld in tube that go inside the tubes to strengthen those and a full locker and chromos and early axles so you get the bigger ujoints and ems offroad has a really tough locking hubs
#33
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From: Wrightstown, NJ
Year: 1986 Comanche
Engine: Chevy 350
If you are really interested in it, you can just get a set of one tons and never worry about breaking them. You will never break an axle with 35's with a Dana 60HP/14 bolt combo under a Jeep. But if you're going that route, you might as well go with a larger tire.
#35
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From: Wrightstown, NJ
Year: 1986 Comanche
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Rubi's are expensive but in order to build a Dana 30 up to be as strong then you're going to be spending more plus a lot of time (or a lot more cash if you don't have the know how). The hub conversion, alone, costs almost as much as a Rubi Dana 44 does. While the Dana 30HP is a nice axle for mild wheeling/daily driving, if you plan on doing the extreme stuff, you need to upgrade.
From the way he's talking, he'll end up bending or breaking the Dana 30 before he can muster the cash to make it bulletproof.
From the way he's talking, he'll end up bending or breaking the Dana 30 before he can muster the cash to make it bulletproof.
#36
To add to the questions in this thread:
I'm planning my '92 Cherokee build. It's going to be a daily driver, to and from work (I am a snowboard instructor). I also use it for going to camp sites, trailheads, down some simple trails, through deep snow and ice etc. I really don't go over rocks very often, but do want the capability to do so if there happen to be any in my way.
Anyway, I'm planning on swapping out my rear 27 spline 8.25 with a 29 spline 8.25 (or if I am lucky a XJ D44) and adding some kind of locker to it when I do. I won't have larger than 32s and was wondering if the Aussie locker would hold up well with this kind of usage. I'd like an Ox locker but $800+ is out of my range. On paper the Aussie seems perfect for me, but I want to be sure that it is as good as it looks.
Also, the Aussie Locker webpage states that installing a locker on the front diff is not recommended if you drive on icy roads. Anyone know why? Is this at all applicable to the rear? I spend a lot of time driving on ice so this could be kinda important.
Thanks!
I'm planning my '92 Cherokee build. It's going to be a daily driver, to and from work (I am a snowboard instructor). I also use it for going to camp sites, trailheads, down some simple trails, through deep snow and ice etc. I really don't go over rocks very often, but do want the capability to do so if there happen to be any in my way.
Anyway, I'm planning on swapping out my rear 27 spline 8.25 with a 29 spline 8.25 (or if I am lucky a XJ D44) and adding some kind of locker to it when I do. I won't have larger than 32s and was wondering if the Aussie locker would hold up well with this kind of usage. I'd like an Ox locker but $800+ is out of my range. On paper the Aussie seems perfect for me, but I want to be sure that it is as good as it looks.
Also, the Aussie Locker webpage states that installing a locker on the front diff is not recommended if you drive on icy roads. Anyone know why? Is this at all applicable to the rear? I spend a lot of time driving on ice so this could be kinda important.
Thanks!
#38
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From: Wrightstown, NJ
Year: 1986 Comanche
Engine: Chevy 350
If you really want to go extreme, you could keep the rear brackets on the axle and set up a rear coil conversion with the bracket geometry as a basis.
#39
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From: Cove, OR
Year: 1993
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Let me know where you can get a set of the JK rubi axles for 2000 bucks. Last I seen they were about 2500 for the rear and around 2800 for the front. Oh yeah, the Rubi axles are electric lockers not air.
If the OP is going to install a locker in the Dana 30 front axle and goes with a full carrier locker that replaces the carrier he will not have to buy a different carrier for the gear change. Dana 30 axles can be upgraded enough to handle 35s without breaking the bank as long as the driver uses some brains ( Remember finesse is your friend! )
If the OP is going to install a locker in the Dana 30 front axle and goes with a full carrier locker that replaces the carrier he will not have to buy a different carrier for the gear change. Dana 30 axles can be upgraded enough to handle 35s without breaking the bank as long as the driver uses some brains ( Remember finesse is your friend! )
Last edited by Rock Toy; 01-07-2011 at 05:46 PM.
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