Air conditioning "where to start"
#46
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From: Broward County Fl.
Year: 1989 xj sport 2dr
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 12 hole bosch Injectors
So when my low gauge hits 45 the compressor will kick on. The high side will go to 150, but then the low side will drop and the compressor kicks off. When it does kick on it kicks right back off. The cycles starts over. Lows side hits 45 and kicks compressor on, as this happens the high side goes to 150 but the low side drops again and the compressor kicks off. Over and over and over.........
#47
Thanks for the help fellas. I got to stop for the evening. I'm gonna see if my system holds any pressure for a couple of days. Does anyone know if the yellow service line on a set of gauges should fit the small 12oz cans? Mine don't, I'm just not sure if I am missing an adapter
#48
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From: Arlington, Texas
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Yep. Keep filling. According to my factory service manual for my 98, the low pressure switch kicks in at 38 PSI and below. The high pressure switch kicks in at 450-490 PSI and will reset (continuity) once the system pressure drops back down to 270-330 and below.
You are seeing the cycling because you don't have enough freon in there to maintain adequate pressure on both sides of the system when its running.
So, once you high side pressures up, it drops the low side to 38 or below and the compressor cycles off.
You are seeing the cycling because you don't have enough freon in there to maintain adequate pressure on both sides of the system when its running.
So, once you high side pressures up, it drops the low side to 38 or below and the compressor cycles off.
#49
Originally Posted by macgyver35
Yep. Keep filling. According to my factory service manual for my 98, the low pressure switch kicks in at 38 PSI and below. The high pressure switch kicks in at 450-490 PSI and will reset (continuity) once the system pressure drops back down to 270-330 and below.
You are seeing the cycling because you don't have enough freon in there to maintain adequate pressure on both sides of the system when its running.
So, once you high side pressures up, it drops the low side to 38 or below and the compressor cycles off.
#51
Originally Posted by Nperryman
Is he bypassing the right switch? I have a black one with a red connector and it is plugged into the accumulator, and another wire with Gray plug and yellow connector coming off of the other wire. When I bypassed the gray plug yellow plug, my compressor kicks on for a bit then shuts off. Is that the low pressure switch? It isn't plugged into anything its just hanging there. Maybe he is doing the wrong plug. The one I bypassed is the gray and yellow one in the picture. 98 xj
#52
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From: Arlington, Texas
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Also, pressure readings are somewhat relative to ambient temperature. They change depending on your outside temps. And no, you should not be shooting for 400 pounds on the high side. That's the point at which the switch kicks in to kill your compressor before you blow the whole damn works up. My best guestimation is that on an 80 degree day, a properly vacuumed and charged system will have high side pressures around 185-210, but that is only a guess. An AC guy that has a chart or a better mental grasp of the thermodynamic calculations could tell you better.
I stand by my earlier advice. Do what you need to make sure you're not leaking, let a pro know what parts (if any) you've replaced so he can add oil according to the chart, and pay him the $60-$70 to suck it down and do it right.
Don't get me wrong. I'm all about do-it-yourself and perform most of the work on my cars (including the engine swap and lift in my XJ), but there are some things that will cost you more in the long run (in dollars and frustration and failed parts) than just getting a pro to do it.
When I was working on mine, I replaced the compressor, condenser coil, expansion valve tube, and accumulator myself. But when it came time to fill 'er up I took it to a shop. 45 minutes and $65 later I was cruising cool.
#53
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From: Arlington, Texas
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
You could try, but adding freon (as apposed to oil) may not help much. usually, a squeal in the compressor is the death knell. However, it only costs a few bucks to add some freon. If the squealing stops and the system holds pressure overnight, take it to a shop to be vacuumed down and charged properly.
#54
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From: Missouri
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: I6 4.0 L
Originally Posted by macgyver35
You could try, but adding freon (as apposed to oil) may not help much. usually, a squeal in the compressor is the death knell. However, it only costs a few bucks to add some freon. If the squealing stops and the system holds pressure overnight, take it to a shop to be vacuumed down and charged properly.
#55
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From: Broward County Fl.
Year: 1989 xj sport 2dr
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 12 hole bosch Injectors
#56
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From: Missouri
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: I6 4.0 L
Originally Posted by freegdr
why do you have to jump it just fill normally
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#57
I get the death squeal too when I try and turn on the A/C. Only tried once (and the gf tried once, wont do it again ) but it gives a real loud squeak and then quiets down as if all is good. I haven't tried running it since, and I'm pretty darn sure it isn't the belt.
Nperryman, If you haven't already, I might start a new thread about it tomorrow so as to not take this one off track. If you figure it out please let me know.
Nperryman, If you haven't already, I might start a new thread about it tomorrow so as to not take this one off track. If you figure it out please let me know.
#58
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From: Broward County Fl.
Year: 1989 xj sport 2dr
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 12 hole bosch Injectors
untill there enough pressure to over come the low pressure switch it wont come on jumping is not a fix maybe swith is bad , i would get a switch and try again with it plugged in
#59
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From: Broward County Fl.
Year: 1989 xj sport 2dr
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 12 hole bosch Injectors
I get the death squeal too when I try and turn on the A/C. Only tried once (and the gf tried once, wont do it again ) but it gives a real loud squeak and then quiets down as if all is good. I haven't tried running it since, and I'm pretty darn sure it isn't the belt.
Nperryman, If you haven't already, I might start a new thread about it tomorrow so as to not take this one off track. If you figure it out please let me know.
Nperryman, If you haven't already, I might start a new thread about it tomorrow so as to not take this one off track. If you figure it out please let me know.
#60
I wish I could say I was knowledgeable enough to know exactly what the 1/4 turn belt test means, but I'm not. lol
It does have less than 1/4" of slack, but is not over tight as in wrecking the alternator (which runs great as I found out when my bat contacts came undone while driving....)
It does have less than 1/4" of slack, but is not over tight as in wrecking the alternator (which runs great as I found out when my bat contacts came undone while driving....)
Last edited by GreyDog; 04-24-2012 at 01:09 AM.