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Old 09-10-2012, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
I once put two screws in a wooden level, 14 inches apart. (to contact the K car rim), one out 5/16 inch from the other, to set the 5/16 inch negative camber. (top in).

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ohhh nvm i get it... you made a makeshift alignment head. thats pretty neat!
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ohhh nvm i get it... you made a makeshift alignment head. thats pretty neat!
No put xj on alingment rack to day my casters 4.5 and cambers -1.0 going to add caster see if camber decreases ,you adjust camber with ball joint adjustment bushings....http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=...Cbx=1&_udhi=50
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If you're camber is screwed up you have other issues you need to find. Look at the ball joints and make sure they're good and make sure the axle isn't bent. Unless you want to modify the stuff the camber is set from the factory by default of the design of the axle. If it's out of spec something is wrong.
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Originally Posted by freegdr
No put xj on alingment rack to day my casters 4.5 and cambers -1.0 going to add caster see if camber decreases ,you adjust camber with ball joint adjustment bushings....http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=...Cbx=1&_udhi=50

no i was talkin to the other guy, i was tryin to figure out what he was sayin with the wood and the screws on a kcar.. had me a little lost for a moment lol.
anyway, i checked that link, and also searched specifically for those style camber alignment balljoint bushings, and was not able to find one that fits a 84-01 cherokee. they list <83 only. not sure why.

also, some vehicles do change their camber as caster is adjusted; but due to the suspension geometry of our solid axles, caster will adjust independently of camber.

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actually i went and plugged your 89 into our rack to see what the specifications are; it actually does call for a dead flat 0.0 degrees of camber. also your caster should be as close to +7.5 degrees on each side.

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not sure how you ended up with -1.0 camber.. are your wheelbearings & balljoints in good shape? negative camber usually indicates something is sagging or worn out
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TSB 02-12-99 addresses camber issues causing vehicle drift to one side and lists the following 3 factory part numbers to correct it. Don't know if they still available.

05014876aa. .5 degree offset balljoint
05014877aa 1 degree offset balljoint
05016972aa 1.5 degree offset balljoint

Instructions are per this link http://wjjeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wj_0200102.pdf

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Originally Posted by rompnXJ
no i was talkin to the other guy, i was tryin to figure out what he was sayin with the wood and the screws on a kcar.. had me a little lost for a moment lol.
anyway, i checked that link, and also searched specifically for those style camber alignment balljoint bushings, and was not able to find one that fits a 84-01 cherokee. they list <83 only. not sure why.

also, some vehicles do change their camber as caster is adjusted; but due to the suspension geometry of our solid axles, caster will adjust independently of camber.
was just using that as a reference rock auto and others do sell them for dana 30 axle

Originally Posted by rompnXJ
actually i went and plugged your 89 into our rack to see what the specifications are; it actually does call for a dead flat 0.0 degrees of camber. also your caster should be as close to +7.5 degrees on each side.

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my caster is set at 4 degrees was trying to get rid of dw ended up being ca bushings im runing all adjustable arms going to set it as close to 7.5 as possible this weekend then get rechecked im also on 11 inchs of lift with drop brackets so it actuall 7 with drops

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not sure how you ended up with -1.0 camber.. are your wheelbearings & balljoints in good shape? negative camber usually indicates something is sagging or worn out
been mechanic most my life all suspension parts are good. I set my toe accordingly but with 38 inch ground hawgs theres not really to many even places to measure from so i did it with rotor was 1/8 inch out now its set 2 degrees in thinking with caster set at 4.5 its change the piviot point of tires so much its throwm camber off .when the set toe in camber came down some on both sides.

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Originally Posted by offroadordnance
TSB 02-12-99 addresses camber issues causing vehicle drift to one side and lists the following 3 factory part numbers to correct it. Don't know if they still available.

05014876aa. .5 degree offset balljoint
05014877aa 1 degree offset balljoint
05016972aa 1.5 degree offset balljoint

Instructions are per this link http://wjjeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wj_0200102.pdf
mines 89 this seems to before newer models

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Freegdr, if you used ANY grammar at all it would make your posts WAY easier to read and comprehend. You go off with your run-on sentence(s) and it has to be read a couple time to try and figure out what the heck you're trying to say or ask.
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Freegdr, if you used ANY grammar at all it would make your posts WAY easier to read and comprehend. You go off with your run-on sentence(s) and it has to be read a couple time to try and figure out what the heck you're trying to say or ask.
Dont read it then ...lol
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Lets make it simple, all parts are good. Going to bring caster as close to factory as possible saturday .
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A trick for measuring toe-in. Spin the wheel and spray a paint stripe on the tread. Spin it again, make a line in/on the paint. Do the other. Role to a stop on flat ground, measure. On some cars you might to need to transfer the marks to the ground with a plumb-bob or a level. (tape cardboard on the cement). 1/8" in, on 13's, or 3/16" on 15's seems to work for me. (one old Audi had Toe-out spec..)

Rompen, Yea! I didn't know it was called an "Alignment head". Seemed to work well enough to change struts a few times. Anyway that, ^, and that, V is about all I know about alignment...except I ain't messing with castor!
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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
A trick for measuring toe-in. Spin the wheel and spray a paint stripe on the tread. Spin it again, make a line in/on the paint. Do the other. Role to a stop on flat ground, measure. On some cars you might to need to transfer the marks to the ground with a plumb-bob or a level. (tape cardboard on the cement). 1/8" in, on 13's, or 3/16" on 15's seems to work for me. (one old Audi had Toe-out spec..)

Rompen, Yea! I didn't know it was called an "Alignment head". Seemed to work well enough to change struts a few times. Anyway that, ^, and that, V is about all I know about alignment...except I ain't messing with castor!
Toe in and toe out are just a way of saying positive or negative total toe. Its not an actually measurement. And its easier to measure caster without a machine than it is to measure to. Remember always adjuat camber, caster and then toe in that order for best results as changing one before the other can affect the rest if not one in that order. Thrust angle also very important on a rear wheel drive vehicle. With or with out 4x4. Although thrust angle has less of an affect while it is in 4 wheel drive


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