aw4 question....quick and simple...i hope
#16
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From: Prescott, Az
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
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No...my transmission computer works fine. I have a bad nss but thats a different story. I just figured if i could somewhat easily do away with the computer and computer controlled parts and have it work properly...id honestly perfer it. I have no beef with the computer system in place....and its currently working properly. Just dont honestly understand the point. Automatic transmissions worked fine before computers. I understand computer controlled fuel injection which adds gains and benefits...(im sure someone will beat me up for saying this but) to me....it just seems like expensive gizmos that will eventually fail...i know you can take some computer controlled transmissions and remove the shift silinoids and computer and they will work properly. Just didnt know about the aw4. Just my preference.
It's a complete and total waste of time and resources.
Let's take one of the BEST automatic transmissions ever built, with nearly fail-proof electronics, that last for HUNDREDS of thousands of miles with simple drain and fills of cheap fluid...and screw with it.
#17
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From: Vernon NJ
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
i would not bother with it. I have 255,000 miles on mine and it had not even been rebuilt. And I don't take it easy on it either. I think the fluid has been changed once in that time when it did it last year. I thought i killed it last year buy pulling a trailer and burned the trans fluid up. But it keeps on going. This trans is better than all of the other hydromatic non computerized transmissions that i had in other cars and trucks. its better than the one that i had in my 98 TJ, and that one I could not kill either. So I would not mess with a good thing. Just keep the trans cool and you wont have any problems with it.
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From: Lawrence
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 straight 6
Thanks for all the info....as mentioned im gonna rebuild my aw4. The transmission currently works....but shifts are weak....and it basically skips 3rd gear under medium to hard acceleration. It has 187,000 miles on it. I was wanting to finally hit the trails this spring for first time ever...problem is trails are almost two hours away. I dont wanna go that far and have my transmission fail on me. . Looks like the popular answer is just dont mess with the electronics. Im just worried ill go through the hassle of the rebuild to end up with a faulty silinoid or a computer failure. Which would be even more cash. Which is why i was hoping to save the cash on buying new shift silinoids when i rebuild. But if you all recommend just leaving the electronics be.....then thats what ill do. Thanks for all the info and opinions.
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Thanks for all the info....as mentioned im gonna rebuild my aw4. The transmission currently works....but shifts are weak....and it basically skips 3rd gear under medium to hard acceleration. It has 187,000 miles on it. I was wanting to finally hit the trails this spring for first time ever...problem is trails are almost two hours away. I dont wanna go that far and have my transmission fail on me. . Looks like the popular answer is just dont mess with the electronics. Im just worried ill go through the hassle of the rebuild to end up with a faulty silinoid or a computer failure. Which would be even more cash. Which is why i was hoping to save the cash on buying new shift silinoids when i rebuild. But if you all recommend just leaving the electronics be.....then thats what ill do. Thanks for all the info and opinions.
OR
You can just go spend your money on a rebuild.
The advice here is free. The rebuild will cost significantly more.....
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From: Lapeer, Murder Mitten
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I6
I can see the Dr. has never had a vacume modulator go bad and suck all the trans fluid out. Or have a govenor go bad and get faulty (or no) shift points.
I can understand some mods such as gear lock out/in, manual bodies and such.
I can understand some mods such as gear lock out/in, manual bodies and such.
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From: Lawrence
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 straight 6
Honestly....since i bought my xj almost a year ago...ive done zero maintenance to the transmission. Previous owner seems like she tried to care for the jeep but had a mechanic that was scamming her. Ive found his crap work while doing other maintenance. I dont know if the tranny fluid has ever been changed....i check its levels...fluid level is fine and not too burnt looking or smelling. I have always been told if a tranny has a lot of miles and has never had fluid changed then dont....its more often than not a kiss of death. Seen this exact thing happen to a turbo 400 and c-6 tranny. So i was afraid to change my jeeps fluid.
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Honestly....since i bought my xj almost a year ago...ive done zero maintenance to the transmission. Previous owner seems like she tried to care for the jeep but had a mechanic that was scamming her. Ive found his crap work while doing other maintenance. I dont know if the tranny fluid has ever been changed....i check its levels...fluid level is fine and not too burnt looking or smelling. I have always been told if a tranny has a lot of miles and has never had fluid changed then dont....its more often than not a kiss of death. Seen this exact thing happen to a turbo 400 and c-6 tranny. So i was afraid to change my jeeps fluid.
Always try the simple and inexpensive solutions first. Don't assume your issues require a rebuild.
#23
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From: Vernon NJ
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Thanks for all the info....as mentioned im gonna rebuild my aw4. The transmission currently works....but shifts are weak....and it basically skips 3rd gear under medium to hard acceleration. It has 187,000 miles on it. I was wanting to finally hit the trails this spring for first time ever...problem is trails are almost two hours away. I dont wanna go that far and have my transmission fail on me. . Looks like the popular answer is just dont mess with the electronics. Im just worried ill go through the hassle of the rebuild to end up with a faulty silinoid or a computer failure. Which would be even more cash. Which is why i was hoping to save the cash on buying new shift silinoids when i rebuild. But if you all recommend just leaving the electronics be.....then thats what ill do. Thanks for all the info and opinions.
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From: Vernon NJ
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Okay so i'm not taking credit for this i just think its in the best interest for everyone who owns an XJ to know this. I have always disliked the way my XJ shifts from 2-3-4. It felts sloppy and had trouble down shifting on steep inclines. Well here is the solution that worked for me! It costs all of $0 and about 5 minutes including the test drive.
Here are the instruction
-Open hood while vehicle is off in park.
-Find TB
-Press and hold cable release button.
-While holding cable release button push conduit into ratcheting cable release button.
-Hold conduit in.
-Release the cable release button.
-Open TB to wide open and the button will automatically ratchet and lock into the correct place.
-Test drive!!!
I found this on one of b16a90teg's posts on NAXJA.
I know its a "write up" but i think it would have more use to people on the tech section
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found this on the quick fix thread.
Here are the instruction
-Open hood while vehicle is off in park.
-Find TB
-Press and hold cable release button.
-While holding cable release button push conduit into ratcheting cable release button.
-Hold conduit in.
-Release the cable release button.
-Open TB to wide open and the button will automatically ratchet and lock into the correct place.
-Test drive!!!
I found this on one of b16a90teg's posts on NAXJA.
I know its a "write up" but i think it would have more use to people on the tech section
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found this on the quick fix thread.
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From: Alaska
Year: 2000 sport
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: New 4.0l from s&j engines
Honestly....since i bought my xj almost a year ago...ive done zero maintenance to the transmission. Previous owner seems like she tried to care for the jeep but had a mechanic that was scamming her. Ive found his crap work while doing other maintenance. I dont know if the tranny fluid has ever been changed....i check its levels...fluid level is fine and not too burnt looking or smelling. I have always been told if a tranny has a lot of miles and has never had fluid changed then dont....its more often than not a kiss of death. Seen this exact thing happen to a turbo 400 and c-6 tranny. So i was afraid to change my jeeps fluid.
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From: Lawrence
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 straight 6
So then....im guessing 187,000 miles isn't alot for an aw4. Thats how many miles are on my xj. Im just worried ill make the two hour trip to the trails....and my tranny will fail on me. Im new to jeeps but that just seems like a lot of miles. Also....why everyone is reading my thread ill ask another question....what would be causing my transmission to basically skip third gear under medium to hard acceleration? It shifts into third then immediately shifts to fourth. If i manually shift or lightly accelerate.....it shifts perfectly normal....hits all four gears....i also dont think my torque converter is locking up...are these problems caused by my bad nss? The problem with my nss is that i have no continuity in neutral. It wont start or crank in neutral. Starts in park no problem. It is adjusted properly and my reverse lights work.
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From: Prescott, Az
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So then....im guessing 187,000 miles isn't alot for an aw4. Thats how many miles are on my xj. Im just worried ill make the two hour trip to the trails....and my tranny will fail on me. Im new to jeeps but that just seems like a lot of miles. Also....why everyone is reading my thread ill ask another question....what would be causing my transmission to basically skip third gear under medium to hard acceleration? It shifts into third then immediately shifts to fourth. If i manually shift or lightly accelerate.....it shifts perfectly normal....hits all four gears....i also dont think my torque converter is locking up...are these problems caused by my bad nss? The problem with my nss is that i have no continuity in neutral. It wont start or crank in neutral. Starts in park no problem. It is adjusted properly and my reverse lights work.
Change the fluid.
"Lather/ Rinse/ Repeat"
You're applying info on crappy trannies to one of the best trannies ever!!.
#28
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From: Vernon NJ
Year: 1998
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I had some of those same issues with mine. I cleaned the NSS and they all went away. It will only take 1-2 hours and a few bucks for the cleaner and grease.
try this too before you rebuild.
http://www.go.jeep-xj.info/HowtoNSSrebuild.htm
try this too before you rebuild.
http://www.go.jeep-xj.info/HowtoNSSrebuild.htm
#29
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I had some of those same issues with mine. I cleaned the NSS and they all went away. It will only take 1-2 hours and a few bucks for the cleaner and grease.
try this too before you rebuild.
http://www.go.jeep-xj.info/HowtoNSSrebuild.htm
try this too before you rebuild.
http://www.go.jeep-xj.info/HowtoNSSrebuild.htm
#30
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From: Lawrence
Year: 1997
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Engine: 4.0 straight 6
Yeah....found the info on rebuilding my nss. Just read the horror stories on here about how much of a pain they are to remove. Was worried id break it trying to remove it. So outside of adjusting it...i havent messed with it. I know their pricey to replace....but cheeper than a tranny rebuild. Ill trust you guys....ill change fluid and attempt to rebuild the nss this weekend and see how it acts. Cant thank you all enough for the info.
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