Convert FROM electric fan back to stock
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From: Golden, CO
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Convert FROM electric fan back to stock
So this is my last attempt to fix this overheating Jeep before I drive it off a cliff into a river.
When I bought it from the PO it had three red electric fans (I can't find a brand on them) and a new 1-row aluminum radiator. In the hot summers climbing slow hills it started to over heat. Also, it actually is overheating and not just a broken gauge or me saying "It's a little over 210". I am talking full red, coolant bubbling out like crazy. I've never driven with it in the red in an attempt to save my head gasket/head. To make a long story short here is what I did last summer to attempt to fix it.
2-3 full coolant flushes
Redline water wetter
Two different types of coolant
Checked thermostat and hoses to make sure there is no "clog" in the system
Brand new 3-row CSF radiator
Rewired the electric fans to turn on sooner
So I have narrowed it down to the electric fans themselves. They must not have the flow to cool the Jeep at low speeds. They do not have any "ducting" except for the fan bracket/housing they are in. The are currently mounted on the engine side of the radiator and pulling the air off the radiator towards the engine.
I want to convert back to the stock style engine driven fan with the nice fan shroud. Here are my questions?
What do I need? Fan, clutch, fan shroud? Anything else?
Will it fit with the 3-row CSF radiator?
Was there a stock electric aux/AC fan or just the engine fan?
Is there any DIY articles that can help me out?
I appreciate the help, you guys have always been great!
EDIT: 2000 XJ Auto I6
When I bought it from the PO it had three red electric fans (I can't find a brand on them) and a new 1-row aluminum radiator. In the hot summers climbing slow hills it started to over heat. Also, it actually is overheating and not just a broken gauge or me saying "It's a little over 210". I am talking full red, coolant bubbling out like crazy. I've never driven with it in the red in an attempt to save my head gasket/head. To make a long story short here is what I did last summer to attempt to fix it.
2-3 full coolant flushes
Redline water wetter
Two different types of coolant
Checked thermostat and hoses to make sure there is no "clog" in the system
Brand new 3-row CSF radiator
Rewired the electric fans to turn on sooner
So I have narrowed it down to the electric fans themselves. They must not have the flow to cool the Jeep at low speeds. They do not have any "ducting" except for the fan bracket/housing they are in. The are currently mounted on the engine side of the radiator and pulling the air off the radiator towards the engine.
I want to convert back to the stock style engine driven fan with the nice fan shroud. Here are my questions?
What do I need? Fan, clutch, fan shroud? Anything else?
Will it fit with the 3-row CSF radiator?
Was there a stock electric aux/AC fan or just the engine fan?
Is there any DIY articles that can help me out?
I appreciate the help, you guys have always been great!
EDIT: 2000 XJ Auto I6
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Just curious are you sure the fans are turning in the correct direction? Since the dc motor will turn either way depending on the wiring. Also which way are the blades pitched? This also makes a difference on the air flow.
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The fans are setup as puller fans right now. All three pull air from the radiator and it flows towards the engine.
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Just looked them up. It looks a LOT like my fans, they dont have many pictures though.
It says right on the website that they are for DD and light offroad only. Also only up to 95-degrees and NOT high elevation.
That would explain why I cant do normal offroad, mountain high elevation, and over 95-degree temps, haha.
I guess I could find a good fan kit, it might be cheaper.
It says right on the website that they are for DD and light offroad only. Also only up to 95-degrees and NOT high elevation.
That would explain why I cant do normal offroad, mountain high elevation, and over 95-degree temps, haha.
I guess I could find a good fan kit, it might be cheaper.
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My Jeep was overheating and the blades on the impeller were almost completely gone. But you said both hoses were hot so it must be circulating. You could always pull it and check it though it might be not circulating as good as it should. Are the fans pitched a certain way that they should be set up as pushers? It could be your water pump impellers are worn a little and won't move much coolant at lower speeds.
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From: Golden, CO
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My Jeep was overheating and the blades on the impeller were almost completely gone. But you said both hoses were hot so it must be circulating. You could always pull it and check it though it might be not circulating as good as it should. Are the fans pitched a certain way that they should be set up as pushers? It could be your water pump impellers are worn a little and won't move much coolant at lower speeds.
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From: The Republic of TEXAS
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L HO
IIRC, factory heavy duty cooling consisted of 1 mechanical fan and 1 electric fan. Heavy duty cooling was standard on XJs with factory a/c.
I presume no overheating at hwy speed?
I presume no overheating at hwy speed?
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From: Golden, CO
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So here is the cooling list that I can think of.
1. fan clutch
2. fan blades
3. aux fan
4. fan shroud
5. W/e bolts are used on the fan clutch/blade
Nothing else missing? I hope this all works with the CSF 3-row.
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From: Payson, UT
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Originally Posted by HeepJeeper
keep that stuff and do hood vents
they really help a lot.
if you dont like hood vents you can do the washer between the hood mouting bolts, a few on here have done it
they really help a lot.
if you dont like hood vents you can do the washer between the hood mouting bolts, a few on here have done it
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From: The Republic of TEXAS
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L HO
Fan shroud is very important. With a good clutch, the belt fan pulls more air than most people think. I'm not sure about hood vents....seen the ScanGauge momentarily indicate 230F on ours sitting in the driveway, hood up, a/c on, triple digit ambient.....same temp in stop-n-go traffic (hood down).
Last edited by djb383; 01-02-2011 at 08:00 PM.
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From: Rio Rancho NM
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
FF dynamics does not recommend a 3 core rad with the fans. They say 2 core. I do run a high flow water pump and balanced t stat and a bored out t stat housing. I can idle in traffic all day long, all with the original rad.