Cooling Conundrum...
#16
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From: Indianapolis, IN
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 HO
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I got a fan clutch yesterday morning and installed it. We headed out to Haspin Acres and all was sweet on the drive out. Even in the 20 minutes of stop and go through Indy, temps were stable at 210°-215°. When we got to the park, my temp started inching up during the first climb. When it got up to 230°, I started freaking out again and cranked the heat. Within fifteen seconds, it was back down to 210°. I had to continue the rest of the run going back and forth between heat and no heat in 87° weather in a black Jeep. Needless to say, it wasn't that much fun.
So, I am still perplexed, but I am now wondering if there is some buildup in the engine block somewhere that is restricting flow. I didn't drive it much today, but, in the ten or so miles that I did, it acted normal. I am heading up home tomorrow to mid-Michigan, so hopefully all is cool. I guess I'll find out...
I got a fan clutch yesterday morning and installed it. We headed out to Haspin Acres and all was sweet on the drive out. Even in the 20 minutes of stop and go through Indy, temps were stable at 210°-215°. When we got to the park, my temp started inching up during the first climb. When it got up to 230°, I started freaking out again and cranked the heat. Within fifteen seconds, it was back down to 210°. I had to continue the rest of the run going back and forth between heat and no heat in 87° weather in a black Jeep. Needless to say, it wasn't that much fun.
So, I am still perplexed, but I am now wondering if there is some buildup in the engine block somewhere that is restricting flow. I didn't drive it much today, but, in the ten or so miles that I did, it acted normal. I am heading up home tomorrow to mid-Michigan, so hopefully all is cool. I guess I'll find out...
#17
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From: central michigan
Year: 1997
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
my jeep is doing the exact same thing. i have no idea what is is. i have rplaced just about everything you have and had a coolant complete flush. still doing it. im in mid-mich too. crazy huh. im at a complete loss to what is wrong
#18
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From: Orange Beach, AL
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Venting
With 31's you shouldn't be getting that hot just driving around town stop and go. you could hardwire the fan but that still wont fix it. It sounds like you have replaced and ruled out most of the small issues.
The only thing i didn't see was a new radiator, check to make sure you also have good flow from the front through the condenser.
The bad thing is it sounds like my jeep and i had a bad cylinder head. This would cause venting into the coolant making the pressure and temp rise kinda like when you unscrew the cap when it is hot. The only way to check this for sure is a compression test.
The only thing i didn't see was a new radiator, check to make sure you also have good flow from the front through the condenser.
The bad thing is it sounds like my jeep and i had a bad cylinder head. This would cause venting into the coolant making the pressure and temp rise kinda like when you unscrew the cap when it is hot. The only way to check this for sure is a compression test.
#19
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From: Indianapolis, IN
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 HO
#21
The only turn blue thing i know of is a head check kit and you dont put it in your coolant. you can get it at any auto parts store but not very cheap unless you already have the tool it works in. I read some where about a waterpump that flows twice the volume of water at idle and low rpms then flows normal flow around 3500 rpms (think it was at quadratech website) dont quote me though. any one used this waterpump yet? thinking about it but have not seen anyone talking about it.
#22
The only turn blue thing i know of is a head check kit and you dont put it in your coolant. you can get it at any auto parts store but not very cheap unless you already have the tool it works in. I read some where about a waterpump that flows twice the volume of water at idle and low rpms then flows normal flow around 3500 rpms (think it was at quadratech website) dont quote me though. any one used this waterpump yet? thinking about it but have not seen anyone talking about it.
#23
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From: Greenville, SC
Year: 1996 two-door SE
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
At what temperature did the auxiliary fan come on? Did the auxiliary fan bring the temperature back down along with the heater/blower motor? Have you ruled out that the gauge may be off? Will the coolant boil if you don't turn on the heater?
#24
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From: Indianapolis, IN
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 HO
I haven't completely ruled out the gauge being off, but I don't think it is too inaccurate since at cruising speed it is steady at 210°.
I don't know if the coolant will boil or not, since I haven't felt comfortable enough to let it go much more than halfway between the 210° mark on the gauge and the next white mark over (245°?) without blasting the heater. So far though, I haven't had any coolant boiling.
#25
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From: Fauquier County, Virginia
Year: 1991
Model: Cherokee
Engine: I-6 4.0 HO
hood vents? Mine does the same thing. It's my daily driver and it terrifies me. Im lucky to drive through town with no problems... then again the weather has been around the 90's with high humidity..
#26
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From: Greenville, SC
Year: 1996 two-door SE
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Design op temp is 212-215°F (I don't like it, either.) Your fan should come on slightly higher than that - and certainly not over 220°F. Could be the sensor going silly on you - OBD-I still used a separate sensor to drive the gage. Worst - could be either one. Plan on replacing both.
You have two temperature sensors. There is one at the driver's side rear of the cylinder head - this one drives the gage. There is also one in the thermostat housing at the front of the head - this one reports to the ECU and that signal is used to drive every other temperature-related function (including your e-fan.)
You have two temperature sensors. There is one at the driver's side rear of the cylinder head - this one drives the gage. There is also one in the thermostat housing at the front of the head - this one reports to the ECU and that signal is used to drive every other temperature-related function (including your e-fan.)
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#27
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From: Indianapolis, IN
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 HO
I have thought about replacing the sensor, and will probably do so when I get back to Indiana on Thursday. More recently, it will run fine for thirty minutes or so, then the temp will just start climbing. I really wish I knew why...
#28
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From: Whittier, Ca
Year: 1989
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Fan Shroud
The fan shroud is only $25 and makes a world of difference. Mine was cracked so I ripped it out and immediately started overheating. I put a new one in and overheating stopped. While I was at it I replaced the fan clutch just because.
#29
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From: Indianapolis, IN
Year: 1995
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Update
Ok, so I drove it up to Michigan and back. The drive up was mostly drama free, except for the fact that, for the last 60 miles, I had to have the hood popped to keep it in the 210° range. The drive home was less than stellar as I had to have it popped as soon as the speed limit went from 55 to 65 (most of the way home). It was sitting right around 210°, but started to creep up on me as soon as I started driving faster. Slowing down to a stop made the temp rise even faster.
Yesterday, we were doing some tinkering with it, and noticed the e-fan wasn't coming on when the gauge was rising during idle. However, I could flick the a/c on and back off, and the e-fan would stay on, but not really make it that much cooler. When I would crank the heater with the e-fan running, the temp came down fairly quickly, and the e-fan would then shut off ~212°. This leads me to believe that the sensor is bad at the t-stat housing (as 5-90 suggested).
Still, I don't think that the temp should rise that quickly no matter the circumstance. That being said, I got some of the Prestone Super Flush (of the 10-15 minute variety), and the back-flush kit. I'll probably try this today and see what happens, and if this doesn't do the trick, I'll probably replace my already replaced water pump with an upgraded unit. Any suggestions on which one to get?
Thanks all.
Ok, so I drove it up to Michigan and back. The drive up was mostly drama free, except for the fact that, for the last 60 miles, I had to have the hood popped to keep it in the 210° range. The drive home was less than stellar as I had to have it popped as soon as the speed limit went from 55 to 65 (most of the way home). It was sitting right around 210°, but started to creep up on me as soon as I started driving faster. Slowing down to a stop made the temp rise even faster.
Yesterday, we were doing some tinkering with it, and noticed the e-fan wasn't coming on when the gauge was rising during idle. However, I could flick the a/c on and back off, and the e-fan would stay on, but not really make it that much cooler. When I would crank the heater with the e-fan running, the temp came down fairly quickly, and the e-fan would then shut off ~212°. This leads me to believe that the sensor is bad at the t-stat housing (as 5-90 suggested).
Still, I don't think that the temp should rise that quickly no matter the circumstance. That being said, I got some of the Prestone Super Flush (of the 10-15 minute variety), and the back-flush kit. I'll probably try this today and see what happens, and if this doesn't do the trick, I'll probably replace my already replaced water pump with an upgraded unit. Any suggestions on which one to get?
Thanks all.
#30
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From: Northern Ontario, Canada
Year: 1990, 1999, 2000
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Engine: 4.0
i have my e-fan hotwired, so if it's plugged in, it's on. if i don't need it, i just unplug it. i'm gonna hook it up to a switch sometime.
but for now, it's on all the time the key is on. if i burn it out, they're 10 bux at the junkyard.
you can also add some watter wetter, that should help.
but for now, it's on all the time the key is on. if i burn it out, they're 10 bux at the junkyard.
you can also add some watter wetter, that should help.