Crank no start/spark
#16
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From: syracuse ny
Year: 1997
Model: Grand Cherokee (ZJ)
Engine: 4.0, new lifters valve job with new springs and exhaust valves, preload set with shims
He is right, somewhere around 10-20% charged @ 12.1vdc. At that level when you crank the starter the system might be seeing in the 8-10 volt range, not enough to power the electronics. Typical problem with these jeeps, is the battery temp sensor goes bad. Even with everything working right, they still tend to undercharge, but either something is really amiss with your charging system or the battery may have seen better days. Just replaced one in a montego, it was also 12.1.
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From: Edgewood nm
Year: 2000
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
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ok I’ll have it on the charger over night. It’s definitely discharged but not dead. Also this happened with a battery that sat only 1 night. I doubt it’s the battery but if I can’t get up to 12.66 from 12.1 or so then I’ll buy a new one.
Any idea what the voltage should be on the coil pack plug. I have 11v on the power wire and intermittently on the other 3 but no power getting to the plugs. I’m assuming through testing and process of elimination it’s the coil pack.
I’m unable to find where the voyage is supposed to be.
Thank you for the replies
Any idea what the voltage should be on the coil pack plug. I have 11v on the power wire and intermittently on the other 3 but no power getting to the plugs. I’m assuming through testing and process of elimination it’s the coil pack.
I’m unable to find where the voyage is supposed to be.
Thank you for the replies
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ok I’ll have it on the charger over night. It’s definitely discharged but not dead. Also this happened with a battery that sat only 1 night. I doubt it’s the battery but if I can’t get up to 12.66 from 12.1 or so then I’ll buy a new one.
Any idea what the voltage should be on the coil pack plug. I have 11v on the power wire and intermittently on the other 3 but no power getting to the plugs. I’m assuming through testing and process of elimination it’s the coil pack.
I’m unable to find where the voyage is supposed to be.
Thank you for the replies
Any idea what the voltage should be on the coil pack plug. I have 11v on the power wire and intermittently on the other 3 but no power getting to the plugs. I’m assuming through testing and process of elimination it’s the coil pack.
I’m unable to find where the voyage is supposed to be.
Thank you for the replies
be aware that once freshly charged, even a dud battery can often read above 12.6V. This is called a "float charge", and is almost meaningless.
to eliminate this, they need a bit of discharge, (ie headlights for 2min).. or to sit for a few hours
excessive cranking will obviously discharge a battery, as per normal. If they wont hold over 12.5V for a few days (without any discharge), they are bad
any battery over 3yrs old should be considered suspect, especially if it has run flat a few times
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From: syracuse ny
Year: 1997
Model: Grand Cherokee (ZJ)
Engine: 4.0, new lifters valve job with new springs and exhaust valves, preload set with shims
Well now, I say if he charges it overnight and in the morning disconnects it and lets it sit an hour and it's still under charged, time for a new battery. Went through this just last week.
As far as the coil pack goes, you should be able to check that with an ohm meter. Are there any diagnostic codes? You may have bias B+voltage at the coil but if you have no signal from the pcm it wont fire. With key on you have the bias voltage so I think the ASD relay circuit is ok..the usual suspect is the crank sensor, which you replaced, twice, followed by the cam sensor. Also the harness to either of those.
As far as the coil pack goes, you should be able to check that with an ohm meter. Are there any diagnostic codes? You may have bias B+voltage at the coil but if you have no signal from the pcm it wont fire. With key on you have the bias voltage so I think the ASD relay circuit is ok..the usual suspect is the crank sensor, which you replaced, twice, followed by the cam sensor. Also the harness to either of those.
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From: Edgewood nm
Year: 2000
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Well now, I say if he charges it overnight and in the morning disconnects it and lets it sit an hour and it's still under charged, time for a new battery. Went through this just last week.
As far as the coil pack goes, you should be able to check that with an ohm meter. Are there any diagnostic codes? You may have bias B+voltage at the coil but if you have no signal from the pcm it wont fire. With key on you have the bias voltage so I think the ASD relay circuit is ok..the usual suspect is the crank sensor, which you replaced, twice, followed by the cam sensor. Also the harness to either of those.
As far as the coil pack goes, you should be able to check that with an ohm meter. Are there any diagnostic codes? You may have bias B+voltage at the coil but if you have no signal from the pcm it wont fire. With key on you have the bias voltage so I think the ASD relay circuit is ok..the usual suspect is the crank sensor, which you replaced, twice, followed by the cam sensor. Also the harness to either of those.
The engine light is on but don’t have access to a scanner. I live in the mountains and am not very close to town. I’ll see if I can rent one if the coil pack doesn’t fix the problem.
From what I’ve read there is no way to test the coil pack.
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From: syracuse ny
Year: 1997
Model: Grand Cherokee (ZJ)
Engine: 4.0, new lifters valve job with new springs and exhaust valves, preload set with shims
As far as I can tell there is signal from the pcm because when cranking it fires across the other 3 wires. The asd is good I replaced it.
The engine light is on but don’t have access to a scanner. I live in the mountains and am not very close to town. I’ll see if I can rent one if the coil pack doesn’t fix the problem.
From what I’ve read there is no way to test the coil pack.
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Ok I’m at a total loss. New cks, new fuel pump, new coil pack and New asd. Cms? Bad chip key all of a sudden? My daughter was playing with my fab and set off the alarm possible immobilizer issue? 😡🤬
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Update: so after a ton of headaches and cursing the Jeep I fixed the issue. It was the cam position sensor. The magnet broke off and wasn’t reading. I was hoping it’d fix the rough idle but nope
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