EXCESSIVE water on lifters?
#16
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From: Lost in the wilds of Virginia
Year: 1998 Classic (I'll get it running soon....) and 02 Grand
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
That means less than a politician's promise.
It is water.
It's not condensation.
It's from a serious engine failure. Cracked block, cracked head, blown head gasket, or similar. With 110 lbs of compression and water in the oil, your engine is toast.
You can face that now, or you can face it later. Your choice.
It's not condensation.
It's from a serious engine failure. Cracked block, cracked head, blown head gasket, or similar. With 110 lbs of compression and water in the oil, your engine is toast.
You can face that now, or you can face it later. Your choice.
#17
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From: PA
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 HO
Funny,I don't get cell phone coverage at my house either.
To be serious ,my son got 3 miles from our house tops,knew something didn't feel right (brakes were not releasing),turned around,& as he pulled in driveway the idiot light light came on (no gauge). So it wasn't spewing coolant,but leaking from radiator. Rad is shot. After looking at it I don't know how it wasn't leaking before.
Any suggestions?
To be serious ,my son got 3 miles from our house tops,knew something didn't feel right (brakes were not releasing),turned around,& as he pulled in driveway the idiot light light came on (no gauge). So it wasn't spewing coolant,but leaking from radiator. Rad is shot. After looking at it I don't know how it wasn't leaking before.
Any suggestions?
#18
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From: Central Jersey
Year: 91
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I6 H.O.
That means less than a politician's promise.
It is water.
It's not condensation.
It's from a serious engine failure. Cracked block, cracked head, blown head gasket, or similar. With 110 lbs of compression and water in the oil, your engine is toast.
You can face that now, or you can face it later. Your choice.
It is water.
It's not condensation.
It's from a serious engine failure. Cracked block, cracked head, blown head gasket, or similar. With 110 lbs of compression and water in the oil, your engine is toast.
You can face that now, or you can face it later. Your choice.
Edit: The Blackstone oil test should confirm that is lots of coolant.
Last edited by XJPat; 09-09-2015 at 10:00 PM.
#20
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From: Lost in the wilds of Virginia
Year: 1998 Classic (I'll get it running soon....) and 02 Grand
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
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Year: 2015, 2012
Model: Grand Cherokee (WK2)
Engine: 3.6L
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Let's be real here. A new to you motor is going to run in th eneighborhood of $400 with warranty. Installation varies. If the motor is toast, put one that isn't in it. I'd still pressure test and leakdown to see how bad everything is. Although, 110 psi is low. Being that it's the same on all cylinders rings are going.
I'd still test and see. Worst case, throw a re-manned head on it. If it doesn't run right after that, pull the head off and get a new motor. Slap your new head on the new short block and move on. Plan to be down a vehicle for 2-3 weeks.
If none of this is possible or desire able, trade it in on something with a warranty.
I'd still test and see. Worst case, throw a re-manned head on it. If it doesn't run right after that, pull the head off and get a new motor. Slap your new head on the new short block and move on. Plan to be down a vehicle for 2-3 weeks.
If none of this is possible or desire able, trade it in on something with a warranty.
#25
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From: PA
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 HO
Thanks guys,some very good suggestions.
That's what I was hoping for. Real world help from fellow members.
Im bummed. With only 109k,and meticulous maintenance from 2nd PO ago (100k of its life), I am shocked it's having this many problems.
I'll work thru this,and keep you informed.
That's what I was hoping for. Real world help from fellow members.
Im bummed. With only 109k,and meticulous maintenance from 2nd PO ago (100k of its life), I am shocked it's having this many problems.
I'll work thru this,and keep you informed.
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Year: 2015, 2012
Model: Grand Cherokee (WK2)
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All the meticulous maintenance in the world doesn't keep the 0331 head from cracking.
I'm assuming it is a 2000-01 for some reason. I looked back through the posts, and I don't see a mention of a year model.
I'm assuming it is a 2000-01 for some reason. I looked back through the posts, and I don't see a mention of a year model.
Last edited by Firestorm500; 09-10-2015 at 10:58 AM.
#28
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From: Lost in the wilds of Virginia
Year: 1998 Classic (I'll get it running soon....) and 02 Grand
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
What you have described is not compatible with "meticulous maintenance".
However, it IS compatible with little or no maintenance, coupled with either a deluded or dishonest PO. Could be either. Some people think filling it with gas and taking it to Jiffy Lube every few thousand miles is "meticulous maintenance".
#29
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From: PA
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 HO
I know.
It does not make any sense.
The PO did his normal maintenance,but did not complete repairs as I think are necessary. For example,jeep overheated once. He and his dad(mechanical),replaced the water pump and nothing else. No thermostat,belt,nothing. Ran the jeep for many months prior to me buying,and ran great when I bought.
The PO prior to him (100k miles), left all kinds of receipts for different service from a jeep dealer.
I ran the jeep up and down my road (1/2 mile) for months before starting to dig into some issues. Oil filter adapter leak,starter because of leak,heater blower motor and resister. Nothing went right. Couldn't break the adapter bolt,wrong blower motor twice. So the jeep did not move except for start-ups from December to May. Financial issues and a Tacoma waiting for a frame kept the jeep off the road until last month. Was only driven daily for a week before the brakes locked, overheated and here we are.
I could not see the radiator issue until I pulled the mechanical fan shroud. It was corroded and shot.
So the plan is a buddy is coming over,we are pulling the head to replace the head gasket and inspect. I'll keep everyone informed.
It does not make any sense.
The PO did his normal maintenance,but did not complete repairs as I think are necessary. For example,jeep overheated once. He and his dad(mechanical),replaced the water pump and nothing else. No thermostat,belt,nothing. Ran the jeep for many months prior to me buying,and ran great when I bought.
The PO prior to him (100k miles), left all kinds of receipts for different service from a jeep dealer.
I ran the jeep up and down my road (1/2 mile) for months before starting to dig into some issues. Oil filter adapter leak,starter because of leak,heater blower motor and resister. Nothing went right. Couldn't break the adapter bolt,wrong blower motor twice. So the jeep did not move except for start-ups from December to May. Financial issues and a Tacoma waiting for a frame kept the jeep off the road until last month. Was only driven daily for a week before the brakes locked, overheated and here we are.
I could not see the radiator issue until I pulled the mechanical fan shroud. It was corroded and shot.
So the plan is a buddy is coming over,we are pulling the head to replace the head gasket and inspect. I'll keep everyone informed.
#30
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From: Traverse City, MI
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
I'm no expert, but that sure sounds like the perfect recipe to get enough condensation built up in the oil to turn it cloudy. If you're going to park it, especially in the cold months, better to not start it all, unless you're going to get it up to operating temp for a decent amount of time. Just letting it idle, especially on a cold winter day, will not burn off the previous moisture, and when you shut it off, it will just add more from the new condensation.