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Old 04-27-2009 | 03:51 PM
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OK I know I need to stop being a tight wad BUT how many guys have their front D30's with the spider gears welded up to make it a locker? I know I would not do this in the rear so as to drive it on the street(my opinion that it sucks) but the front sounds like it may be a good option. I don't know I have never done either, I have been in a wrangler with the rear welded and I would not do it to mine,but the front you only really use in off-road/bad whether conditions anyway right? You guys tell me? Or just the crap out of me whatever!

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Old 04-27-2009 | 04:04 PM
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Welding the front is worse than the rear... the hubs don't disengage, so it will slip-and-slide and chatter all the time.
Old 04-27-2009 | 04:06 PM
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Welding the front is worse than the rear... the hubs don't disengage, so it will slip-and-slide and chatter all the time.
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Old 04-27-2009 | 04:24 PM
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Welding the front is worse than the rear... the hubs don't disengage, so it will slip-and-slide and chatter all the time.
slip, slide and chatter? try explode.
Old 04-27-2009 | 04:31 PM
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There is a trick some of us old dogs used to use. Instead of welding the side gears to the case etc. just fill in one of the valleys between the teeth on one side gear. It will not then run like a spool. If you have a spool in the front, it won't steer worth beans. But welding just one valley still allows about 1.5 wheel rotations before locking and will generally allow you to steer while sitting still. You can't use any set up like this with out a front axle disconnect or locking hubs. With this method, your disconnect will still be able to unlock just by turning the steering wheel back and forth.
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Big bad, What happens in an XJ like your 92 that doesn't have a disco or manual lock out hubs when you weld it up is whether you have 2WD or 4WD selected inside, both front wheels will be perminently locked together. So, you can do the math in your head and see what would happen to you when driving on the street.
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slip, slide and chatter? try explode.
Explode???

maybe.

You will find the "weakest link", for sure...
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Explode???

maybe.

You will find the "weakest link", for sure...
ok, something will break.
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Originally Posted by bigbadxj
OK I know I need to stop being a tight wad BUT how many guys have their front D30's with the spider gears welded up to make it a locker? I know I would not do this in the rear so as to drive it on the street(my opinion that it sucks) but the front sounds like it may be a good option. I don't know I have never done either, I have been in a wrangler with the rear welded and I would not do it to mine,but the front you only really use in off-road/bad whether conditions anyway right? You guys tell me? Or just the crap out of me whatever!
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Old 04-27-2009 | 06:13 PM
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OK you hooked me. FOR WHAT? And ok I get it, it is the worst idea ever and I'll make sure that everyone knows so this does not come up again. I'M SORRY!
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Bigbad, It's all good, Bro. no "one" knows it all. "Together" we know it all. We're just showing the love. Some just do it in a much more hillarious way than others.
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Yep that's why this forum is here so everyone can get the help they need.
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Originally Posted by bigbadxj
OK you hooked me. FOR WHAT? And ok I get it, it is the worst idea ever and I'll make sure that everyone knows so this does not come up again. I'M SORRY!
just never weld any parts on a front end with out unlocking hubs and you will be OK dude that paper bag smiley is freaking hilarious where did you get it
Old 04-27-2009 | 07:00 PM
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As mentioned you wouldn't want to do this unless you either have manual hubs or a CAD axle. I wouldn't be too worried about stuff breaking because it's really no different than putting a locker in there - what I'd worry about is steering
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Yeah, steering that thing that way on an icey road would be better than any ride 6 Flaggs has ever come up with...



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