HORN BLOWS CONSTANTLY - Left my windows down and it stormed last night. HELP!
#16
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From: Riviera, Texas
Year: 1998 Sport
Model: Cherokee
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From: Grand Haven, MI
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee
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Thank you Lowrange2 for the diagram. I am unfamiliar with the "overhead module" or where it is located. (please...nobody tell me the obvious)
as you said...The horn switch was removed from the circuit, so no power from there...that leaves sticking relay, and overhead module I guess... going to check on those right now.
I just went over the jeep with a wet vac, and turned the heater on high for about a half an hour, I placed a house fan in the driver back seat pointing down on the floor, so the wind should be going under the driver seat up under the dash on the driver side. Driver side seems to have got it the worst. The dash was really wet this morning, but it was a hot day today. The floor on the front and rear driver side were still fairly waterlogged after work today. Passenger side floors seemed damp but mostly dried up. The module under the center console seemed free from any major moisture, but it is possible that the carpet may have wicked some up to that location. I really don't want to pull that damn thing. seems like a big pain. *whines*
as you said...The horn switch was removed from the circuit, so no power from there...that leaves sticking relay, and overhead module I guess... going to check on those right now.
I just went over the jeep with a wet vac, and turned the heater on high for about a half an hour, I placed a house fan in the driver back seat pointing down on the floor, so the wind should be going under the driver seat up under the dash on the driver side. Driver side seems to have got it the worst. The dash was really wet this morning, but it was a hot day today. The floor on the front and rear driver side were still fairly waterlogged after work today. Passenger side floors seemed damp but mostly dried up. The module under the center console seemed free from any major moisture, but it is possible that the carpet may have wicked some up to that location. I really don't want to pull that damn thing. seems like a big pain. *whines*
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From: +34° 25' 35.67", -81° 21' 12.04"
Year: 1993
Engine: 4.0
Thank you Lowrange2 for the diagram. I am unfamiliar with the "overhead module" or where it is located. (please...nobody tell me the obvious)
as you said...The horn switch was removed from the circuit, so no power from there...that leaves sticking relay, and overhead module I guess... going to check on those right now.
I just went over the jeep with a wet vac, and turned the heater on high for about a half an hour, I placed a house fan in the driver back seat pointing down on the floor, so the wind should be going under the driver seat up under the dash on the driver side. Driver side seems to have got it the worst. The dash was really wet this morning, but it was a hot day today. The floor on the front and rear driver side were still fairly waterlogged after work today. Passenger side floors seemed damp but mostly dried up. The module under the center console seemed free from any major moisture, but it is possible that the carpet may have wicked some up to that location. I really don't want to pull that damn thing. seems like a big pain. *whines*
as you said...The horn switch was removed from the circuit, so no power from there...that leaves sticking relay, and overhead module I guess... going to check on those right now.
I just went over the jeep with a wet vac, and turned the heater on high for about a half an hour, I placed a house fan in the driver back seat pointing down on the floor, so the wind should be going under the driver seat up under the dash on the driver side. Driver side seems to have got it the worst. The dash was really wet this morning, but it was a hot day today. The floor on the front and rear driver side were still fairly waterlogged after work today. Passenger side floors seemed damp but mostly dried up. The module under the center console seemed free from any major moisture, but it is possible that the carpet may have wicked some up to that location. I really don't want to pull that damn thing. seems like a big pain. *whines*
#20
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From: Grand Haven, MI
Year: 2001
Model: Cherokee
Engine: Stock
Problem found!
Downloaded the service manual, found the 01 specific wiring diagram, and did some checking. Long story short, after ripping half my jeep apart, and disconnecting a lot of connectors, I found the problem. It was the clockspring that shorted somehow. I am assuming from moisture. Disconnecting the horn switch did nothing, and neither did disconnecting the Keyless entry module.
Not quite sure how to dry it out yet, but at least the honking has stopped! Maybe I will try a hairdryer...now that I know where to point it.
PS, I did check the Relay first... Swapped it out with another one, and it did the same thing. It was pretty hot from disconnecting the circuit at the horns. If you ever need to disconnect your horn, pull fuse 21.
Not quite sure how to dry it out yet, but at least the honking has stopped! Maybe I will try a hairdryer...now that I know where to point it.
PS, I did check the Relay first... Swapped it out with another one, and it did the same thing. It was pretty hot from disconnecting the circuit at the horns. If you ever need to disconnect your horn, pull fuse 21.
Last edited by ClutchKimball; 07-31-2012 at 09:47 PM.
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From: +34° 25' 35.67", -81° 21' 12.04"
Year: 1993
Engine: 4.0
Cool. That part of the clock spring is grounded out... If you can get it to dry out without corroding you should be good to go.
Don't forget that side of the circuit is switched ground, not positive.
Don't forget that side of the circuit is switched ground, not positive.
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From: Boston
Year: 2000
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.7L
This is probably too little too late but I'm putting in my 2c anyway...
Be patient with it. Go easy with the directed hot air application. XJ's have weak electrical construction (with crappy, unfriendly splice locations and such).
I've done a Jeepload of XJ electrical gremlins and, if I've learned anything about fixing them, I've learned to not force it. It only makes it worse.
Be patient with it. Go easy with the directed hot air application. XJ's have weak electrical construction (with crappy, unfriendly splice locations and such).
I've done a Jeepload of XJ electrical gremlins and, if I've learned anything about fixing them, I've learned to not force it. It only makes it worse.
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From: Salt Lake City, UT
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
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From: Salt Lake City, UT
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
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