skiebuster

Now with gas prices hitting a low, is everyone selling these hydrogen's like crazy now ?

I foresee a major crunch coming in the next year and wondered if the interest has wained.

My wife is a engineer and where she works they are building hydro gens like crazy. even with the cheap gas. She overheard that Coke, ups and fedex are ordering test units for the future.

trevor

Sales are surprising higher now than ever we just got NYC cabs on board which is going well they are averaging a 30% increase on the crown vics.

what company is your wife with

CHERO-NEWBIE

Ok ive been playing with this for 3 years now, 1stly...mythbusters are biased....of course theirs didnt work.....they didnt build it properly...on purpose..and many..many requests to have them re-visit the "myth" has been turned down...by them...
I have built many generators and ive learned a few lessons along the way...one thing is for sure....it definately makes a crap load oh hydrogen, 2nd thing....it is HIGHLY explosive now its the 3rd thing im not too sure of...does it save fuel. I have installed my latest generator (4 cell, 13 plates ) which pushes out about 1.5 lts per minute with a 20a constant draw (my 1st attempts years ago suffered from thermal runaway..and yes...ouch! but this one is sorted) I dont use baking soda as a catalyst, it corrodes too much, with too much heat versus hydrogen, I use caustic soda (lye, sodium hydroxide) yes its a bit harsh and care needs to be taken, but it produceswaaaay much more pure hydrogen). Now I have been battling with this on my jeep, not the installation...thats easy....its with trying to get accurate measurements!! everytime I fill my jeep up, I get a different amount of fuel, seems I have a serious airlock! but now I think it has a 85lt tank (is this normal?) I have built a MAP enhancer too, so I will post results to see if the gains (if any) are from the leaner mixture, or the gas. but 1 thing is for sure, my jeeps runs smoother, and colder!!
Heres mine!

chereveco

Hi there, I live in Costa Rica, and here gasoline is kinda expensive, so I made my research and got to GAS LPG, I installed it and now I'm having around 32% savings on fuel, not noticed a performance loss until at very high RPM. And check engine is lit always, now with 3 years of running LPG with cero problems I think I made a very good choice... The only thing to regret if regretable is the loss of cargo space in the rear 50%.

At this time the people that installed this LPG kit are offering hydrogen cells to be used along with the LPG system and savings in my car will go up to 73%, I also can run on gasoline any time, and no side effects are detected yet.

Mine is a 2001 XJ with 170.000 kmts. ( 106250 miles ).

93jeepthing

just to add my 2 cents... I think the theory is very solid. a normal internal combusiton engine is extremely inefficient. 65% of the gasoline's energy is wasted before it even hits the crankshaft. adding hydrogen and oxygen to the mix simply increases the efficiency of the gasoline. you are not creating power from nothing, you are simply better utilizing the energy that is already there, and you don't need a lot, either. 10-20 amps will (supposedly) give you enough- as long as your system and electrolyte are correct. Another VERY important thing to do, which i think some people dont, is adding a copmputer chip to trick the computer into thinking it is running rich so it leans out the mixture. hydrogen/oxygen when burned turns into water, which is not recognized by the o2 sensors therefore the car would still be dumping just as mush fuel in as before the mod. My dad bought me a set for christmas this year, and i am working on installing it in my corolla. i am hopefull, yet still a little skeptical. i will find out if this really works or not and let you all know. If it does, i am getting a kit for my jeep, and my truck, too.

-Brian M

Mullins_j

Well guys, as many of you stated, I've been doing research on this for about 4 years now. This will work as an additive to running gas, I don't think we are close enough to be able to run completely off H2O. I have built many of these generators. There are many things that come into play with these systems. FIRST I WANT TO SAY THAT THIS COMBINATION OF H2, AND O, IS VERY EXPLOSIVE AND SHOULD NOT BE PLAYED WITH, UNLESS YOU HAVE SOME IDEA OF WHAT YOU ARE DOING....

The big things that come into play here if first you need a H generator, which are very easy to build. I've had my final plans on hold for sometime now, due to thing in my life had changed and I haven't had time to continue. But, you'll have to remember that your engine also monitors your fuel consumption with the o2 sensors. H2 and O burn super fast, which makes it very hard for your o2's to compensate for the added fuel mixture. My first H generator I installed on a 2001 hyundia santa fe. but I didn't see any MPG improvements, simply because the 2 o2 sensors where not "seeing" that I had an alternative fuel supply.

I just wanted to throw this in here to try and help people understand that this is very dangerous, and there is alot more to it the build a fuel cell and plugging it in.

I do agree that alot of fuel cell's sold on the net do seem over priced and not that great.

As for the myth-busters. I love that show, and I can tell you right now, when I saw the fuel cell they built, I was yelling at my TV telling them they were doing it all wrong. They will not revisit that myth for some reason. But, if you saw it, when they pumped hydrogen into the carb from the compressed tank, the car ran very nice! (till it caught of fire).

If you guys want more info on this stuff, read up on the late Stanley Meyer. This man did make a dune buggy that ran completely on H2O, and got HUGE MPG's out of it.

Good luck all.

Brett

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/190603...kee_xj_clip_1/

Thanks Google lol

JrRifleCoach

If anyone is interested, search for HHO at youtube.

Lots of good info and test results.

What my research has netted is that a good generator needs to produce at least 2 liters a minute to supplement the intake air. For safety a bubbler and/or a flashback suppressor for backfire protection. A temp switch to prevent overheating in the water/gas chamber. And an amp meter to keep track of the power consumption.

Before I move ahead on this project I'd really like to know why my mileage is so crappy to begin with. Turns out to be a tough problem to solve.

JrRifleCoach

Home-made and fully operational now.
Makes just over a liter/minute @ 15amps





So far, so good......

Xjtim

Sorry buddy....not true. It does in fact work. I worked at a company which installed kits similar to these. We were in the r&d stages for the kits. I, myself, installed two hydrogen fuel cell Kits and got 75 mpg out of a mitsubishi lancer sportback, and I got an expedition with a 5.4 to get 45 mpg. My boss wanted to go commercial with these and start with taxis and the trash trucks, then offer them to the public. These kits take alot of time to install correctly. It's not just a simple cell, you have to wire a box into the ecu to bypass the o2 sensors to get it to run right. I think we did about 15 vehicles and had good results with 3 or 4. Tuning these kits and the vehicles requires patience and knowhow. Anyhow, the company's name was offroad logic DBA petriva llc. Out of business now, of course but look em up and see if you can get any info on them. btw...we turned a jk into a steam engine on accident with one of these kits lol

JrRifleCoach

I too watched in awe as they made a mockery of the generator plans with no attention to detail, then laughed at the results. They're good at blowing stuff though...... thats cool!

CHERO-NEWBIE

Just a note, mine is working well on my cherokee, ive added a PWM so it doesnt blow fuses no matter how strong electrolyte I use, which also means I can control the unnit temperature. Pretty good gains, Jeep has been running it for 3 years now, still runs like a dream.

NH_Jeep_XJ

Myth Busters aren't real scientists...

That's why they are on TV, they're paid entertainers.

They had no catalyst in the water of their HHO generator.

Not sure if they overlooked this on purpose or were too stupid to realize that water doesn't make a very good electrical conductor of current without free ions.

Free Ions that the catalyst provides...

I am very interested in outfitting my 98 Jeep XJ with one of these in the future.

With my mileage at around 16 mpg, it certainly provides lots of room for improvement.

And that is with Stock 15" wheels and 235's Michelin All Terrains....

I am in the process of installing a 3.5" lift and 31's and hate to see what that will do to my mileage....and even more reason to try HHO.

I understand the HHO generator side of things as well as how more catalyst draws more current etc.
It makes perfect sense for the more catalyst, the more free Ions you'd have.

Not sure why they aren't controlling the current to the HHO generator using a basic Rheostat aka a Variable Resistor ?

What are you doing as far as the ignition/fuel mixture is concerned ?

Are you using one of the Map enhancers ? What else seems to work ??

Thanks !!

2Evil4U

Good grief. Why did the get bumped?

A 15 amp constant load on your alternator won't create more drag and worse fuel economy.

Perpetual motion is not possible.

I need to market these things so I can make the money by selling it.