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Old 06-26-2012, 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
HA! We finally put the "3rd generation" engine in the Vega GT hatchback.
I put a 307 in mine. Fixed that nasty aluminum overheat problem right up. Tranny dipstick poked up through the passenger's side footwell.
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HA! (again), I did think you might like that one....That GT working right was fun...I DID save it....
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I test my IAT and CTS with a DRB or I'd give you the values.....
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Yea, I'd figured that out. I'll price one in town today.
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Yea, I'd figured that out. I'll price one in town today.
It would fit in your Vega.
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Originally Posted by Radi
What results are you hoping to achieve by replacing it with a resistor? Is the sensor bad?
Better mileage. "is it bad?" Idk, nobody will post their readings.

Originally Posted by Bustedback
I relocated mine to the air cleaner housing, it stays cleaner there and gets a more accurate air temp reading than in the intake manifold, I also noticed a very slight performance gain.
Thank you BB.

Originally Posted by offroadordnance
IAT is used inconjunction with MAP sensor in a speed density based system to calculate airflow and adjust correct injector pulse width. You might screw up A/F and maybe damage the cat, burn a valve, etc putting a fixed resistor in there.

Edit: By fixed resistance I'm referring to the 200 ohm resistor the OP wants to replace his IAT with. Relocating the IAT wont cause the potential issues mentioned.
Understood. Well I cleared 21 MPG with about 275K on it and I see no sign of any problem yet. I still don't know what it will do when temps here drop into the 30's I DID PUT IN A 225 OHM RESISTOR.

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I checked the fuel trim before and after the relocation and did not notice any change. The injector on time is the same as before too.
I'm thinking it is a "minor player" , say compared to engine coolant temp.

Originally Posted by jakbob
the IAC has been discontinued if i recall correctly.

another thing... why would the air in the intake be as hot as the coolant? i know air absorbs thermal heat pretty fast but i wouldnt think the air in the manifold would be the same temp.
Well that's sort of my issue. The charts are for the sensor temp, if it's in plastic it's gonna get one thing, in metal, conduction there, another. Then the radiant heat of the two will be different. (conduction, convection, and radiation are the three ways heat moves).

Get it guys? Three things influence the temp of the IAT, not just the air.

Me thinks it only works to enritchen, (like a choke) in cold weather.
Could it be the computer ignores it completely as soon as as at comes down to around 200 ohms?

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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
Better mileage. "is it bad?" Idk, nobody will post their readings.



Thank you BB.



Understood. Well I cleared 21 MPG with about 275K on it and I see no sign of any problem yet. I still don't know what it will do when temps here drop into the 30's I DID PUT IN A 225 OHM RESISTOR.



I'm thinking it is a "minor player" , say compared to engine coolant temp.



Well that's sort of my issue. The charts are for the sensor temp, if it's in plastic it's gonna get one thing, in metal, conduction there, another. Then the radiant heat of the two will be different. (conduction, convection, and radiation are the three ways heat moves).

Get it guys? Three things influence the temp of the IAT, not just the air.

Me thinks it only works to enritchen, (like a choke) in cold weather.
Could it be the computer ignores it completely as soon as as at comes down to around 200 ohms?
Cleaned mine yesterday and this morning at 33* I got a reading of 5.50 on the meter. Right in spec when cold. I'll check it later when she's warmed up. CTS is at 5.81

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Just checked mines today. Ambient supposedly at 75degF according to the OHC ambient air temp sensor. The IAT sensor read 540ohms.
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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
Better mileage. "is it bad?" Idk, nobody will post their readings.



Thank you BB.



Understood. Well I cleared 21 MPG with about 275K on it and I see no sign of any problem yet. I still don't know what it will do when temps here drop into the 30's I DID PUT IN A 225 OHM RESISTOR.



I'm thinking it is a "minor player" , say compared to engine coolant temp.



Well that's sort of my issue. The charts are for the sensor temp, if it's in plastic it's gonna get one thing, in metal, conduction there, another. Then the radiant heat of the two will be different. (conduction, convection, and radiation are the three ways heat moves).

Get it guys? Three things influence the temp of the IAT, not just the air.

Me thinks it only works to enritchen, (like a choke) in cold weather.
Could it be the computer ignores it completely as soon as as at comes down to around 200 ohms?
I disagree on 3 things influencing the sensor. It is an AIR temp sensor. That's why it's made the way it is. Look at the tip.
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Originally Posted by SuperRA
Just checked mines today. Ambient supposedly at 75degF according to the OHC ambient air temp sensor. The IAT sensor read 540ohms.
Had the engine been run any time before that?
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
Had the engine been run any time before that?
Ah yes, that was after a 30-40 mile drive on the freeway. Is that what you mean?
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
I disagree on 3 things influencing the sensor. It is an AIR temp sensor. That's why it's made the way it is. Look at the tip.
I think I understand what he is saying though. Yes, it is mainly an air temp sensor meaning it is supposed to measure the convection heat in the air, but the other two methods WILL affect it in some way as well. Even though it's encased in plastic, plastic does still conduct heat , although poorly, it still contributes. Also radiation heat is likely everywhere in the engine, so that will contribute as well. I think DFlinstones question is if when the original computer programmers and engineers designed the algorithm in the Renix computer, did they take that into account? If so, then by moving it to a place where you don't get the other two components, conduction and radiation (not as much), do you fool the sensor (and computer) into thinking that your air charge is cooler than it is programmed to think it is? And then if the ECU is not programmed to take into account the extra two heat methods, then leaving it in it's original spot should result in a leaner fuel mixture because it's reading hotter than the air actually is.

At least that's my take. I think that's what DF was saying as well?

My guess as to what role the IAT takes in fuel calucation is that it is more important than the CTS. Maybe not as much as the O2 and MAP though. The air temp is a direct variable in the air density calculation where as the coolant temp is a bit more indirect. My guess is the CTS is more for cold start enrichment and plays a small part in the normal running fuel calcs.
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Originally Posted by Black89
Cleaned mine yesterday and this morning at 33* I got a reading of 5.50 on the meter. Right in spec when cold. I'll check it later when she's warmed up. CTS is at 5.81Black89
Cool , good info.

Originally Posted by SuperRA
Just checked mines today. Ambient supposedly at 75degF according to the OHC ambient air temp sensor. The IAT sensor read 540ohms.
????Seems high.

Originally Posted by cruiser54
I disagree on 3 things influencing the sensor. It is an AIR temp sensor. That's why it's made the way it is. Look at the tip.
The tip is subject to Radiation, convection, and convection.

Originally Posted by SuperRA
I think I understand what he is saying though. Yes, it is mainly an air temp sensor meaning it is supposed to measure the convection heat in the air, but the other two methods WILL affect it in some way as well.HHHHHH............................ more important than the CTS. Maybe not as much as the O2 and MAP though. The air temp is a direct variable in the air density calculation where as the coolant temp is a bit more indirect. My guess is the CTS is more for cold start enrichment and plays a small part in the normal running fuel calcs.
I'm gonna agree and disagree with Supra. The puter and the map and the o2 sensor are gonna use the engine temp. First I don't KNOW!
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Originally Posted by DFlintstone
Cool , good info.

????Seems high.


I'm gonna agree and disagree with Supra. The puter and the map and the o2 sensor are gonna use the engine temp. First I don't KNOW!
IONO?? That's what it measured. I mean it was a harbor freight free DMM, but it can't be off that much!?!

I just put my best educated guess on the IAT vs. CTS statement. I don't know for sure, but I guess you don't know for sure either? What makes you think CTS is used? What would it calculate from it?

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My text just disappeared. About a paragraph.
Hate it when that happens. I have to exercise my memory, ugh, so annoying. lol

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