I'm nearly done assembling my "new" (rebuilt) motor, some questions
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He did say the crank was replaced, so the rings should go for a while with only 150 K miles on them....
If it were me though, rings would be replaced, cylinders de-glazed etc just as a matter of " principle"
If it were me though, rings would be replaced, cylinders de-glazed etc just as a matter of " principle"
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That's why I personally don't trust anything a previous owner may or may not have done. Very few people can resist cutting corners. Especially when it involves money and time.
If it were mine, I would have rebuilt/replaced everything while I had it out. Left nothing to chance. Crossed fingers don't help mechanical things.
I do take issue with the original poster titling his thread with the words "new" and "rebuilt".
The way he is doing it, it is neither.
If it were mine, I would have rebuilt/replaced everything while I had it out. Left nothing to chance. Crossed fingers don't help mechanical things.
I do take issue with the original poster titling his thread with the words "new" and "rebuilt".
The way he is doing it, it is neither.
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That's why I personally don't trust anything a previous owner may or may not have done. Very few people can resist cutting corners. Especially when it involves money and time.
If it were mine, I would have rebuilt/replaced everything while I had it out. Left nothing to chance. Crossed fingers don't help mechanical things.
I do take issue with the original poster titling his thread with the words "new" and "rebuilt".
The way he is doing it, it is neither.
If it were mine, I would have rebuilt/replaced everything while I had it out. Left nothing to chance. Crossed fingers don't help mechanical things.
I do take issue with the original poster titling his thread with the words "new" and "rebuilt".
The way he is doing it, it is neither.
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It seems that there are two schools of thought in this forum. One is to offer constructive advice based on experience and knowledge for a specific issue raised by a poster. The other is to take the poster's words and dissect them and find several ways to tell them just how wrong they are in their thoughts and actions. Ah, the faceless internet squabbles are everywhere!
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It seems that there are two schools of thought in this forum. One is to offer constructive advice based on experience and knowledge for a specific issue raised by a poster. The other is to take the poster's words and dissect them and find several ways to tell them just how wrong they are in their thoughts and actions. Ah, the faceless internet squabbles are everywhere!
The only point I take issue with is that it's not just this forum. LOL.
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I feel free to tell you you don't have any right to tell me what I can post or not post on this public forum.
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It seems that there are two schools of thought in this forum. One is to offer constructive advice based on experience and knowledge for a specific issue raised by a poster. The other is to take the poster's words and dissect them and find several ways to tell them just how wrong they are in their thoughts and actions. Ah, the faceless internet squabbles are everywhere!
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OP, I don't know jack about motors, but cruiser is arguably the most knowledgeable member on this site. If he approves (and you sound like you know what you're doing), I wouldn't worry
Well said! And I'd like to welcome you to the site if I haven't done so already. I appreciate the dose of sanity, and I encourage you to stick around.
If that's your stance, he has every right to tell you what you can post. It's a "public forum," as you said. Regardless, you still aren't being constructive by derailing this thread into an argument over the semantics of the title.
It seems that there are two schools of thought in this forum. One is to offer constructive advice based on experience and knowledge for a specific issue raised by a poster. The other is to take the poster's words and dissect them and find several ways to tell them just how wrong they are in their thoughts and actions. Ah, the faceless internet squabbles are everywhere!
If that's your stance, he has every right to tell you what you can post. It's a "public forum," as you said. Regardless, you still aren't being constructive by derailing this thread into an argument over the semantics of the title.
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I don't take issue with the terms "overhauled" or "rebuilt" ,,,,,,but in this case I consider it "repaired". I have to use these terms in aviation, so that's how I think
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I've been in your shoes and I've done it both ways. flat tappet cams wear both the cam and lifter. however, the cam is harder than its cohort. bear in mind the first thing to fail on a good engine is typically valvetrain related. I was taught when dealing flat tappet, replacing one or the other merits replacing both. I'm not trying to bash or insult, simply sharing experience and a suggestion.
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Quote: "If that's your stance, he has every right to tell you what you can post. It's a "public forum," as you said. Regardless, you still aren't being constructive by derailing this thread into an argument over the semantics of the title."
No, I see it as a personal attack on my right of free speech, so long as I adhere to the terms of this forum. I also reserve the right to defend myself, so long as the mods let me. Even though I may argue certain points with people, and agree with others, that's part of what you get on forums like these. Not everyone has the same experiences and knowledge. A dissenting opinion or contrary experience can be just as illuminating and helpful as so-called "positive" or "constructive" postings. Having a bunch of "yes" postings may not be looking at the question from all sides.
I don't believe anyone except the moderators has the right to tell someone what they may post. However, once that post is made, it is open for discussion. The discussion and replies regarding the subject at hand may not be to everyone's liking. But that's the way it is on a public forum.
Concerning as the semantics of the title: As far as the terminology goes in referring to engine rebuilds, what the OP did to his does not fit the accepted definition of new or rebuilt, at least as far as I learned it and the way I have seen it used. I'm not trying to nitpick here, but if a buyer was buying a vehicle from someone that said the engine was new/rebuilt, that buyer would expect a higher level of renewal and restoration than has been done here. Since the buyer would likely make an offer based on the expected level of repairs, he might be offering more than he should. That would make the offer price not fair to the buyer. Yes, I know, "buyer beware", but there has to be a level of trust in any transaction.
No, I see it as a personal attack on my right of free speech, so long as I adhere to the terms of this forum. I also reserve the right to defend myself, so long as the mods let me. Even though I may argue certain points with people, and agree with others, that's part of what you get on forums like these. Not everyone has the same experiences and knowledge. A dissenting opinion or contrary experience can be just as illuminating and helpful as so-called "positive" or "constructive" postings. Having a bunch of "yes" postings may not be looking at the question from all sides.
I don't believe anyone except the moderators has the right to tell someone what they may post. However, once that post is made, it is open for discussion. The discussion and replies regarding the subject at hand may not be to everyone's liking. But that's the way it is on a public forum.
Concerning as the semantics of the title: As far as the terminology goes in referring to engine rebuilds, what the OP did to his does not fit the accepted definition of new or rebuilt, at least as far as I learned it and the way I have seen it used. I'm not trying to nitpick here, but if a buyer was buying a vehicle from someone that said the engine was new/rebuilt, that buyer would expect a higher level of renewal and restoration than has been done here. Since the buyer would likely make an offer based on the expected level of repairs, he might be offering more than he should. That would make the offer price not fair to the buyer. Yes, I know, "buyer beware", but there has to be a level of trust in any transaction.
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You're absolutely right about that one
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People get on here and cop an attitude when they say something like/similar to "my way is right.....your way is wrong" or "my way is the only correct way". Do they have the right to say/post in an arrogant/holy-er than thou tone......sure they do.....that's freedom of speech. Those r the ones whose mother never told them "if u don't have anything pleasant/constructive to say, then shut your freakin' pie hole".