jiffy lube oil change, sounds like a tractor now
#91
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Year: 1992 and 1998
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From: Albuquerque, NM
Year: 1992
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Originally Posted by imjakethesnake
Jiffy Lube uses Mileguard oil filters made by fram (do not use!!) The fram number is ph16. the mileguard number is a mo16. Fram changed the design of the ph/mo16 oil filter to be smaller about 2 months ago, (they did it to a few popular oil filters). So the new mo16 is alot shorter compared to the old design. You can use a ph/mo8a filter (oversized). Fram/mileguard filters suck for oil pressure though.
Look up "inside royal purple oil filter" on utube. That video should help you make a filter decision. Im going full synthetic royal purple after my 100 hours engine breakin, with lets call it earth oil. Yes it is expensive, I'm trying to protect my rebuilt 4.0HO. Google Bob the oil guy. This guy has slot to say about oil , oil lubrication, and oil breakdown. He's edumacated in oil, And every thing to do with oil.
Sorry didnt want to get to far off topic. Just good info for all. Keep those gears lubbed, and your wheels will turn.
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Year: 1992
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Originally Posted by nevasumma
This is also helpfull information. Thank you.
First thing I can think of is, if Jiffy Lube knows the fliters hold less oil then they should use a different company instead of continuing to use the inferior ones on purpose.
Yes they said they would clean and oil my K&N filter, and mentioned the price difference. Then after going to Majestic Lube they said it wasnt oiled, and they oiled it for me. If one has to wait for the thing to dry before using it, then that's the kind of info any oil change specialist should know and info they should pass along to customers, just in case they don't know. IMO
I am thinking of going with a different air filter.
Do any of you know of a good air filter for this '96 4.0 high output I6. I don't like the idea of being able to over/under oil a K&N. Also waiting a day to drive... can't do it. Just don't have a replacement vehicle. The SAAB is dead of course.
First thing I can think of is, if Jiffy Lube knows the fliters hold less oil then they should use a different company instead of continuing to use the inferior ones on purpose.
Yes they said they would clean and oil my K&N filter, and mentioned the price difference. Then after going to Majestic Lube they said it wasnt oiled, and they oiled it for me. If one has to wait for the thing to dry before using it, then that's the kind of info any oil change specialist should know and info they should pass along to customers, just in case they don't know. IMO
I am thinking of going with a different air filter.
Do any of you know of a good air filter for this '96 4.0 high output I6. I don't like the idea of being able to over/under oil a K&N. Also waiting a day to drive... can't do it. Just don't have a replacement vehicle. The SAAB is dead of course.
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The oil filter that was on it when i bought it was the OE style/length filter. They put one on that was way too small by appearances. So I asked around on the internet, looked in my manual, and went to walmart to visually inspect filter sizes for my Jeep, before going to majestic lube, where they confirmed it and showed me the filter that should've gone in my Jeep. They put it in and topped off my oil for me for free!
I was told by numerous people that Jiffy Lube is known for intentionally putting on smaller filters. I had a 1/2 guart less oil than I should. If that kind of thing doesn't effect my engine then the manual would let me know that i can also just run it a half quart low and that will be just fine... right???
So anyways, that argument aside (and I doubt that the 80+yr.old man that i bought it from would have a reason to put a "longer" oil filter in it) the sound of tractorness was there and very noticeable by everybody that heard it. I will do my own oil changes from now on. I only went there to get my fluids topped off (saving me $80 in fluids just to use half an ounce here and there) AND get lubed. I don't have a lube gun, nor do I know where to lube. I don't have a chiltons guid or anything like that. I know I can use the internet now, but I would've had to buy lube. Make that several lubes, if you count the transfercase and manual trans case fluids. SO... I will be trying the Rotella T5 15-30 mentioned above, with an expensive WIX filter. It sounds very interesting. At 200,369 miles now, I want to do what I can to preserve this old Jeep.
I was told by numerous people that Jiffy Lube is known for intentionally putting on smaller filters. I had a 1/2 guart less oil than I should. If that kind of thing doesn't effect my engine then the manual would let me know that i can also just run it a half quart low and that will be just fine... right???
So anyways, that argument aside (and I doubt that the 80+yr.old man that i bought it from would have a reason to put a "longer" oil filter in it) the sound of tractorness was there and very noticeable by everybody that heard it. I will do my own oil changes from now on. I only went there to get my fluids topped off (saving me $80 in fluids just to use half an ounce here and there) AND get lubed. I don't have a lube gun, nor do I know where to lube. I don't have a chiltons guid or anything like that. I know I can use the internet now, but I would've had to buy lube. Make that several lubes, if you count the transfercase and manual trans case fluids. SO... I will be trying the Rotella T5 15-30 mentioned above, with an expensive WIX filter. It sounds very interesting. At 200,369 miles now, I want to do what I can to preserve this old Jeep.
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From: The Republic of TEXAS
Year: 1998
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The oil filter that was on it when i bought it was the OE style/length filter. They put one on that was way too small by appearances. So I asked around on the internet, looked in my manual, and went to walmart to visually inspect filter sizes for my Jeep, before going to majestic lube, where they confirmed it and showed me the filter that should've gone in my Jeep. They put it in and topped off my oil for me for free!
I was told by numerous people that Jiffy Lube is known for intentionally putting on smaller filters. I had a 1/2 guart less oil than I should. If that kind of thing doesn't effect my engine then the manual would let me know that i can also just run it a half quart low and that will be just fine... right???
So anyways, that argument aside (and I doubt that the 80+yr.old man that i bought it from would have a reason to put a "longer" oil filter in it) the sound of tractorness was there and very noticeable by everybody that heard it. I will do my own oil changes from now on. I only went there to get my fluids topped off (saving me $80 in fluids just to use half an ounce here and there) AND get lubed. I don't have a lube gun, nor do I know where to lube. I don't have a chiltons guid or anything like that. I know I can use the internet now, but I would've had to buy lube. Make that several lubes, if you count the transfercase and manual trans case fluids. SO... I will be trying the Rotella T5 15-30 mentioned above, with an expensive WIX filter. It sounds very interesting. At 200,369 miles now, I want to do what I can to preserve this old Jeep.
I was told by numerous people that Jiffy Lube is known for intentionally putting on smaller filters. I had a 1/2 guart less oil than I should. If that kind of thing doesn't effect my engine then the manual would let me know that i can also just run it a half quart low and that will be just fine... right???
So anyways, that argument aside (and I doubt that the 80+yr.old man that i bought it from would have a reason to put a "longer" oil filter in it) the sound of tractorness was there and very noticeable by everybody that heard it. I will do my own oil changes from now on. I only went there to get my fluids topped off (saving me $80 in fluids just to use half an ounce here and there) AND get lubed. I don't have a lube gun, nor do I know where to lube. I don't have a chiltons guid or anything like that. I know I can use the internet now, but I would've had to buy lube. Make that several lubes, if you count the transfercase and manual trans case fluids. SO... I will be trying the Rotella T5 15-30 mentioned above, with an expensive WIX filter. It sounds very interesting. At 200,369 miles now, I want to do what I can to preserve this old Jeep.
of both the correct 4.0L Jiffy Lube and Mopar filters side by side. I'd bet the external cans are virtually identical dimensions wise....internally, who knows, 'til u cut 'em apart.
With regard to a expensive cotton/gauze type oiled air filter, why would u buy 2 of them, and not use 1 for a year and just keep it in a box? Couldn't one just use a inexpensive OE type paper air filter element for a day while the cotton/gauze air filter is drying out from being cleaned? Can't imagine a OE factory type paper air filter element killing a motor, or it's performance, for a day.
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I still wonder what the jeep experts on this forum think would be the best oil and oil filter situation for my rig, with it's high mileage. I bought Rotella T 15/40 (on sale 13$/gal) but i took it back because it wasn't enough to complete the job and i couldn't afford another gallon jug of oil. They don't seem to sell rotella by the quart, here. One day i will be able to afford something the jeep will like. untill then, what are your opinions on the best of the best to quiet my valve lifters and give me back my lost power??? I'll just aim high and hope the Jeep keeps smiling.
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