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Old 12-16-2010 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackXJ
Muffler AFTER the axle? Have you even LOOKED under your XJ?
Homework Assignment: Go spend 2 hours under your jeep just looking at it.

Looks? Are you looking for a tip? Sounds like you belong in a honda....
These are not hondas. Mufflers dont go right before the rear bumper those are called FART CANS.
Ouch. Dont hurt his feelings Black, we all had to start some where. The OP has the right intentions, just needs that CF direction.

I have the Dynomax turbo and its not overly loud but you know its there. I installed a Pacesetter header over summer as well as a new cat. Sounds great, screams at WOT and has a nice deep tone at idle.

As others mentioned Magnaflow makes an excellent product as well. I would of went that route but I got the Dynomax for free.
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Ouch. Dont hurt his feelings Black, we all had to start some where. The OP has the right intentions, just needs that CF direction.

I have the Dynomax turbo and its not overly loud but you know its there. I installed a Pacesetter header over summer as well as a new cat. Sounds great, screams at WOT and has a nice deep tone at idle.

As others mentioned Magnaflow makes an excellent product as well. I would of went that route but I got the Dynomax for free.
I got my Magnaflow for free I had a Cherrybomb glasspack on and my cousin had the Magnaflow on his car. He had a bad neighbor that he was trying to off so we traded mufflers so his car would be stupid loud.. haha. He sold that car, I got the Cherrybomb back AND got to keep the Magnaflow..
Old 12-17-2010 | 12:38 AM
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Yeah I was just givin him hell, but I really meant the part about laying under his Jeep. It helps get firmiliar with it.
Old 12-17-2010 | 12:43 AM
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Yeah I was just givin him hell, but I really meant the part about laying under his Jeep. It helps get firmiliar with it.
Yea it does. I've spent countless hours under my Jeep working on it... I can pretty much visualize the entire undercarriage haha
Old 12-17-2010 | 12:44 AM
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performance-curve.com has a couple cat-back systems, for around 100$
Old 12-17-2010 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by brutalxj
In Wisconsin that's not legal almost got a ticket for it. Not that I care but don't want someone to caught buy the boogie men.
That may be some local yocal law in some small town, but I don't think exhaust outlet location is covered under any state laws.

That is, unless you are talking about the umbrella law that states you cannot technically modify your vehicle in any way from its stock condition.

But if you are talking about that all the bumpers, tires, rims, lifts, etc are all just as illegal.
Old 12-17-2010 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Gee oh Dee
That may be some local yocal law in some small town, but I don't think exhaust outlet location is covered under any state laws.

That is, unless you are talking about the umbrella law that states you cannot technically modify your vehicle in any way from its stock condition.

But if you are talking about that all the bumpers, tires, rims, lifts, etc are all just as illegal.
Here in Pa, state law states that a vehicles exhaust must exit from underneath the vehicle and behind all passengers. Getting a side exit exhaust on an Xj before the tire to pass as "Legal" is pretty difficult, but can be done if you get the right shop.
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Originally Posted by Kopecki
Here in Pa, state law states that a vehicles exhaust must exit from underneath the vehicle and behind all passengers. Getting a side exit exhaust on an Xj before the tire to pass as "Legal" is pretty difficult, but can be done if you get the right shop.
Don't you also have inspections?

WI state laws are no where near as restrictive as some other states.

I remember there was a big thing about exhaust exits when kids kept passing out when riding in the back of station wagons in the 80s.
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You could have the exhaust pipe come out the side of your XJ. Im not sure why you would want it to as your leaf spring sits right there and as soon at you flex out the leafs are going to push down on the tail pipe.

You could also do it the hodonk redneck way which is either/or cut the cat off and put a glaspack on there and then a down spout. Not sure why you would want to do this either as its going to give you less power and there IS going to be Carbon Monoxide leaking in to the cab. I know this because I know someone who passed out and hit a tree because they had a turn down on their glass pack and no cat. He was diagnosed as having CO poisening.

Or, you could do it like JEEP did and have a cat, muffler, then tailpipe. Its going to give the best sound, best MPG, and most power.
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Originally Posted by BlackXJ
You could have the exhaust pipe come out the side of your XJ. Im not sure why you would want it to as your leaf spring sits right there and as soon at you flex out the leafs are going to push down on the tail pipe.

You could also do it the hodonk redneck way which is either/or cut the cat off and put a glaspack on there and then a down spout. Not sure why you would want to do this either as its going to give you less power and there IS going to be Carbon Monoxide leaking in to the cab. I know this because I know someone who passed out and hit a tree because they had a turn down on their glass pack and no cat. He was diagnosed as having CO poisening.

Or, you could do it like JEEP did and have a cat, muffler, then tailpipe. Its going to give the best sound, best MPG, and most power.
lolol

I started a thread about flame thrower kits and someone said they'd be pointless for most. I can see that person's opinion, but their only reason given was that most people just dump the exhaust under the truck.

I laughed. As much slow crawling as most of us do, I'd think the first concern you'd have would be inhaling all the exhaust thats seeping up from the floors.

I can't imagine anyone thinking its smart to dump exhaust under trucks designed to move slowly for off roading. Then again, the fumes may have taken a few brain cells away.
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Originally Posted by Gee oh Dee
Don't you also have inspections?

WI state laws are no where near as restrictive as some other states.

I remember there was a big thing about exhaust exits when kids kept passing out when riding in the back of station wagons in the 80s.
Yes, we have yearly inspections here in Pa.


Originally Posted by BlackXj
You could have the exhaust pipe come out the side of your XJ. Im not sure why you would want it to as your leaf spring sits right there and as soon at you flex out the leafs are going to push down on the tail pipe.

You could also do it the hodonk redneck way which is either/or cut the cat off and put a glaspack on there and then a down spout. Not sure why you would want to do this either as its going to give you less power and there IS going to be Carbon Monoxide leaking in to the cab. I know this because I know someone who passed out and hit a tree because they had a turn down on their glass pack and no cat. He was diagnosed as having CO poisening.

Or, you could do it like JEEP did and have a cat, muffler, then tailpipe. Its going to give the best sound, best MPG, and most power.
I had a side exit on my Jeep for a while and flexed it HARD without any bumpstops, I never had a problem with the leaf springs hitting my exhaust, I just ripped it off on a rock. I've lost a lot of exhaust systems offroading. Flexing it hard without bumpstops was a bad idea, I dented the hell out of my quarter panels above the wheel well. You live and you learn....
Old 12-17-2010 | 12:06 PM
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How high was the curb? LOL jk.

Well, I tried it for about a day with my cherokee. I have a 4.5" Long arm kit no bumpstops and it ripped right off. After that I just put on a full exhaust and enjoyed the better MPG and HP.

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Old 12-17-2010 | 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackXJ
How high was the curb?
Curb?

I don't think I remember seeing anything about a curb...
Old 12-17-2010 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DocOrng XJ
I am having my 2.5" inch exhaust done next week and would like to know if I should put the muffler before the axle or after.
I have heard that if it is after the axle it can sound a bit ricey.
I am debating on using
FLOWMASTER 40 Series MUFFLER 2.5" CENTER IN - DUAL 2.5" OUT
or
FLOWMASTER SUPER 44 MUFFLER 2.5" CENTER IN - DUAL 2.5" OUT

I am looking for performance but Mostly Sound and looks.
I don't want the Jeep so damned loud that when I am going on a trip for a few hours that I have to pop my ears the rest of the day or have to repeat myself to everyone when talking.
I wouldn't mind a nice rumble on acceleration but I don't want a noisy inside.

If mufflers are closer to the engine will it be quieter or if their further away?
Originally Posted by BlackXJ
Looks? Are you looking for a tip? Sounds like you belong in a honda....
These are not hondas. Mufflers dont go right before the rear bumper those are called FART CANS.
I Hate Hondas with a passion - Never said anything about a tip.
Im pretty sure I didnt because i was there when i said it - dont believe me look up and re-read the post

Originally Posted by Kopecki
Flowmasters sound good on v8's, not L6's. I know from personal experience, they sound decent at low rpms, but anything over 2500 is raspy and sounds like crap. I've put many different exhausts on my Jeep, and my favorite so far is my current Magnaflow. It's deep, but not loud, which is what I wanted.

If you don't want loud, stay away from glasspacks. Glasspacks sound pretty good on L6's, but they are well known for being loud inside and outside of the vehicle. Glasspacks are probably the loudest exhaust heard from inside the vehicle.
Not a fan of glasspacks - Deep, Not loud... Sounds good
recommendations on which way to go if i choose magnaflow ?

Originally Posted by KotaKid287
If you don't want loud on the inside, you don't want Flowmasters at all. Flowmasters are well known for their interior drone at hwy speeds. I'd also suggest something along the lines of a Dynomax, or Cherry Bomb Vortex with a gutted cat and just kick it out the side in front of the rear tire (if legal in your state).
Didnt know that about Flowmaster, just know it sounds good usually and hear alot about em. Thanx.
Not doing a illegal cat - and not big on cherry bomb
Dynomax is starting to sound like it could be worth looking at

Originally Posted by Turbo X_J
Just wondering, if you don't want a loud muffler, why are you looking at loud mufflers? JMO instead of having an exhaust made up wait until dynomax runs their cat back special again. $75 & 20 minute install your done. It's not loud but you'll know it's there.
Didnt know Flowmaster was loud.


Side Note:
My last jeep lasted me forever but that was all stock - everything.
Dont know much about options on my Jeep, just bought it 2 weeks ago and this is my first jeep im attempting to do anything with.
Help is more appreciated then criticism at this point.

To requote my orginal help
"I wouldn't mind a nice rumble on acceleration but I don't want a noisy inside."
Old 12-17-2010 | 01:49 PM
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The video is with a turn down ahead of the axle. Side exit is a little quieter.

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2656/j0j.mp4
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