My cherokee started a fire. Help
#16
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From: Northern CT
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: Turbo 4.0
That is a lot of weight for the XJ. You can still tow stuff tho. Install a large trans cooler after the stock cooler. Install a trans temp gauge and keep it out of overdrive while towing.
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From: Lost in the wilds of Virginia
Year: 1998 Classic (I'll get it running soon....) and 02 Grand
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
An XJ pulling a tandem axle trailer with a SUV on back hour and a half into a tow..... that’s quite the overload and I’m not in the least bit surprised . I’m sure it was nuclear hot . It might of been okay towing a few miles .... and I would not of ever expected 50mph even in the few mile trip .... that’s hard a poor XJ.
Bingo. Grossly overloaded and uphill. Trans overheated, fluid expanded, and be glad the whole thing didn't go up in flames.
Cold water on a hot engine is a good way to crack a block.
I don't have much hope for your transmission. See my sig, #3. It's worth a shot.
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From: Lost in the wilds of Virginia
Year: 1998 Classic (I'll get it running soon....) and 02 Grand
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
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From: Lost in the wilds of Virginia
Year: 1998 Classic (I'll get it running soon....) and 02 Grand
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
They are just fine if you stay within reasonable limits. I have towed that much weight with no problem, but not at that speed.. I also kept it in 3 to keep it from thrashing back and forth from 3 to 4.
If you need to tow on a regular basis, install a transmission cooler.
Take Cruiser's advice and do several drain/fill cycles, or better yet, see my sig, #3.
If you need to tow on a regular basis, install a transmission cooler.
Take Cruiser's advice and do several drain/fill cycles, or better yet, see my sig, #3.
#22
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From: Southern Texas (former AZ & Aus)
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee(XJ)
Engine: I6 4.0L
I had to read the whole thing.... just wow... never knew of an XJ pulling that much combined weight. It's an Aslin...not an Allison, LOL....
But it does go to show just how much of a lickin' these old XJ's can take and keep on tickin'.
But it does go to show just how much of a lickin' these old XJ's can take and keep on tickin'.
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From: Northern CT
Year: 1995
Model: Cherokee
Engine: Turbo 4.0
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#25
The history of the joint venture between Aisin and BorgWarner is a bit convoluted. Their current name is Aisin AW
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#26
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From: Southern Texas (former AZ & Aus)
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee(XJ)
Engine: I6 4.0L
I get half credit.. I was close.. lol... at the end of the day... I'm just glad we've got a setup like we do in these old Jeeps. Seems like so many vehicles are made like complete dog poo that it's rare to find this combination of reliability/longevity.
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#27
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From: Prescott, AZ
Year: 1988
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
If the manufacturer can save $5 per unit it is totally worth it to ship a product that will die in three to five years as opposed to not saving that $5 and shipping a product that will last 40 years.
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#28
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From: Lost in the wilds of Virginia
Year: 1998 Classic (I'll get it running soon....) and 02 Grand
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
#29
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From: Southern Texas (former AZ & Aus)
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee(XJ)
Engine: I6 4.0L
That Chevrolet was having a serious issue with a model of transmission that went into several of their vehicles (trucks)... they were inhouse testing them for production and found that they would fail right around the 100k mark requiring a full rebuild.
They secretly went to Toyota and asked them if they sent them the technical plans would they build one for them. Toyota agreed. Built and sent the trans to Chevy.... they put it on their testing platform...and ran and ran it and could NOT get it to break.
They called Toyota up and asked them what did they do differently because it would not break after hundreds of thousands of simulated miles.
Toyota's response was.... We built it to your specifications.
There's the difference between Toyota quality and US automakers... it's not the design that was bad... it was in the process of how it was made that caused it to fail. In Japan for Toyota... if a part is made and not correct, it gets rejected. If a part in the US gets made for a vehicle, if it's not perfect but within tolerance it gets used. Toyota doesn't use that philosophy....
I'd say the end result it pretty clear. Toyota will spend the extra 5 bucks or whatever it takes to build a quality product.