My new-to-me 2001 XJ Sport. The ugly.
#31
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Ok so what i observed with my shifting issue is that every other time i start my XJ, the transmission shifts pretty much like normal when driving. Hangs up a touch from 3rd to 4th, but it does switch to 4th. So basically, if it does this, and shifts fine, the next time i start it and drive, it will get hung up in third. So what i have been doing is driving to a close gas station, pulling into it, shutting it off, then restarting and getting back on the road and then its back to shifting fine and making it to 4th (still hanging a little bit in 3rd). So myself and a few folks i know think its an electronic issue not a mechanical one since it is consistently inconsistent. We feel if it was mechanical it would happen all the time or just randomly. So, it was suggested that it could be the TPS. So i got a Dorman one cuz a buddy had a brand new one on hand, and it is still doing the same thing but now it starts really rough and takes a couple minutes to smooth out. ( i would have put the old TPS back in but my dumbass threw it out by accident) it did this rough start/idle when i first got this XJ, and i thought it may be a fuel issue, since it sat for a bit before i got it. it starts rough and the idle drops and goes back up almost stalls but doesnt, and it sounds like the cold air intake is sucking very strongly. Once it runs for about a minute the sucking sound fades and the idle goes pretty normal. Once at temp it runs fine. i had put seafoam in it and it seemed to run great after that. Started on the first time almost every time, and no rough idling, even from a cold start. Since i changed the TPS, now its doing this rough start again pretty much exactly the same. I have a used MOPAR TPS on the way so im going to swap that in in case its because its the Dorman TPS. I know these Jeeps dont like Non OEM/Mopar stuff, but since it was free and immediately available i figured id try it. I also have a TCM on the way im borrowing from a buddy to see if that is the cause of the shifting issue. If it fixes the issue i will buy it from him, if not, i'll just send it back to him.
So any of you guys have any other ideas what the shifting issue could be, and if the sudden "back to rough start" is possibly the Dorman TPS? though i never changed a TPS before, it seemed super easy and after a few youtube video watches, Im pretty sure i installed it correctly as i know its spring loaded. I put it on slightly tilted to the passenger side and then turned it to the driver side to make it straight and installed the screws.
So any of you guys have any other ideas what the shifting issue could be, and if the sudden "back to rough start" is possibly the Dorman TPS? though i never changed a TPS before, it seemed super easy and after a few youtube video watches, Im pretty sure i installed it correctly as i know its spring loaded. I put it on slightly tilted to the passenger side and then turned it to the driver side to make it straight and installed the screws.
#32
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Ok so what i observed with my shifting issue is that every other time i start my XJ, the transmission shifts pretty much like normal when driving. Hangs up a touch from 3rd to 4th, but it does switch to 4th. So basically, if it does this, and shifts fine, the next time i start it and drive, it will get hung up in third. So what i have been doing is driving to a close gas station, pulling into it, shutting it off, then restarting and getting back on the road and then its back to shifting fine and making it to 4th (still hanging a little bit in 3rd). So myself and a few folks i know think its an electronic issue not a mechanical one since it is consistently inconsistent. We feel if it was mechanical it would happen all the time or just randomly. So, it was suggested that it could be the TPS. So i got a Dorman one cuz a buddy had a brand new one on hand, and it is still doing the same thing but now it starts really rough and takes a couple minutes to smooth out. ( i would have put the old TPS back in but my dumbass threw it out by accident) it did this rough start/idle when i first got this XJ, and i thought it may be a fuel issue, since it sat for a bit before i got it. it starts rough and the idle drops and goes back up almost stalls but doesnt, and it sounds like the cold air intake is sucking very strongly. Once it runs for about a minute the sucking sound fades and the idle goes pretty normal. Once at temp it runs fine. i had put seafoam in it and it seemed to run great after that. Started on the first time almost every time, and no rough idling, even from a cold start. Since i changed the TPS, now its doing this rough start again pretty much exactly the same. I have a used MOPAR TPS on the way so im going to swap that in in case its because its the Dorman TPS. I know these Jeeps dont like Non OEM/Mopar stuff, but since it was free and immediately available i figured id try it. I also have a TCM on the way im borrowing from a buddy to see if that is the cause of the shifting issue. If it fixes the issue i will buy it from him, if not, i'll just send it back to him.
So any of you guys have any other ideas what the shifting issue could be, and if the sudden "back to rough start" is possibly the Dorman TPS? though i never changed a TPS before, it seemed super easy and after a few youtube video watches, Im pretty sure i installed it correctly as i know its spring loaded. I put it on slightly tilted to the passenger side and then turned it to the driver side to make it straight and installed the screws.
So any of you guys have any other ideas what the shifting issue could be, and if the sudden "back to rough start" is possibly the Dorman TPS? though i never changed a TPS before, it seemed super easy and after a few youtube video watches, Im pretty sure i installed it correctly as i know its spring loaded. I put it on slightly tilted to the passenger side and then turned it to the driver side to make it straight and installed the screws.
This drawing depicts the duel wiring for the engine management (ECU) and the transmission management (TCU) note they are indirectly connected. The transmission wiring runs along the firewall of your Jeep. The TCU is above the gas peddle mounted on the consul bulkhead and it seldom fails. If all the wiring is good (not frayed, damaged or shorting out and the grounds are good) check the sensors with a VOM. I push pins into the wire and grasp the pin with alligator clips wired to the VOM. A faulty sensor sending to your TCU could be intermittent - heat can effect the sensors. Look at the wiring on the drivers side of the transmission if you haven't already done so.
#33
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TEST the sensors
Thanks @Dave51 i will keep that in mind, and possibly pick it up as that is likely cheaper than having a pro do it and then i'll have this if i need it in the future!
Ok so circling back, i am focusing on the running rich (P0172 &175) issue first, then i will get to the EVAP leak.
Something to note....this Jeep has the K&N air intake on it with the cone shaped filter that was installed by the PO. I noticed when i start the Jeep the intake sounds very loud like its REALLY sucking. I never had one of these before so dont know if thats normal? It also runs a bit rough for id say about a minute or a little less..then it seems to quiet down and i hear less of the suction and it smooths out considerably.
I dont see/smell any gas on the engine near the injectors.
So being new to this kind of stuff with only basic automotive knowledge, is there a "checklist of things to check" for this issue, assuming its NOT the sensors?
My plan currently is to check the air intake filter/hose and make sure its all clean and clear. Then give the throttle body and sensors on it a good cleaning/replace the gasket.
Should i just replace the MAP, TPS, and IAC sensors or just clean em up (assuming they aren't obviously damaged/destroyed)
Assuming this doesn't fix the issue, what would be next on this list to check? I just want to have a rundown list of stuff to check so when i have a day off i can go through as many as possible without asking here every other day lol.
Ok so circling back, i am focusing on the running rich (P0172 &175) issue first, then i will get to the EVAP leak.
Something to note....this Jeep has the K&N air intake on it with the cone shaped filter that was installed by the PO. I noticed when i start the Jeep the intake sounds very loud like its REALLY sucking. I never had one of these before so dont know if thats normal? It also runs a bit rough for id say about a minute or a little less..then it seems to quiet down and i hear less of the suction and it smooths out considerably.
I dont see/smell any gas on the engine near the injectors.
So being new to this kind of stuff with only basic automotive knowledge, is there a "checklist of things to check" for this issue, assuming its NOT the sensors?
My plan currently is to check the air intake filter/hose and make sure its all clean and clear. Then give the throttle body and sensors on it a good cleaning/replace the gasket.
Should i just replace the MAP, TPS, and IAC sensors or just clean em up (assuming they aren't obviously damaged/destroyed)
Assuming this doesn't fix the issue, what would be next on this list to check? I just want to have a rundown list of stuff to check so when i have a day off i can go through as many as possible without asking here every other day lol.
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