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Old 07-30-2012 | 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CCKen
That BBT (Black Box Thing) is the charcoal canister. When you hit the brakes, brake fluid is probably squirting out of a pin hole in the brake line that runs next to the canister and is dripping off it.
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It's okay to be a novice. You have to start somewhere. At least you're trying - and every "try" is another lesson learned.

I'm trying to visualize the "black box" you've described. It may be the purge canister housing - with a bunch of hard plastic lines entering/exiting. Those are all about fuel vapor recovery and recirculation.

After looking at your photos more closely, I think I see the leak-source. It appears to be where the hard and soft lines meet. You can see the bracket-mounted coupling near the e-brake cable with the extra thick jacket on it. If I'm right - and I hope I'm not - then you are about to take on a plumbing task that is a total PITA.

You'll need a second person to help you. Make sure there's enough brake fluid in your reservoir then climb under there (wear safety glasses and bring a light source - no open flames). Have your helper press on the brake pedal while you monitor/observe for the source of the brake fluid leak. If you determine that it's the hard line before the coupling then I'll suggest that it's not a task for a novice to tackle alone - get experienced help.
The metal line is rusted and leaking about 4 or 5" from the connection to the softline. I am able to go down to an unrusted section and splice this correct? I have to get a union piece to connect the new piece with the old? Anyone know the size of the fitting where it connect s to the softline? Autozone said I needed to know the size or bring the fitting in. Also is there a special wrench for that fitting or just a normal one?
Old 07-30-2012 | 06:32 PM
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And cherry I have no money what so ever to pay someone to do this so I have to do it myself. I'm very handy and good with my hands so i'm confident with the instructions that i'll be able to do it.
Old 07-30-2012 | 07:37 PM
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Dude, if the cash thing is holding you back from letting a pro do it then get some help from a bud with a little more experience. The best thing you can do for yourself despite the expense is to replace the entire length of hardline from front to back. If it cracked like you said, and from my own experience owning a 13 year old XJ w/178K in New England, that line is brittle and will defy your every attempt at a clean splice. The hassle factor of splicing brittle line has more than a measurable cash value. Replacing the entire length in one shot may sound laborious but it is much less-so than patching with compression fittings and is surprisingly less expensive (materials-wise) than patchwork. The added comfort of knowing it will never fail again during your ownership is priceless. It's pay me now or pay me later (not me, but I think you know what I mean). The decision is yours. Don't forget to buy a large container of brake fluid and prep all bleeder nipples early in the process (before you actually need to do the brake system bleed). Best o' luck!
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Originally Posted by Cherryokee
Dude, if the cash thing is holding you back from letting a pro do it then get some help from a bud with a little more experience. The best thing you can do for yourself despite the expense is to replace the entire length of hardline from front to back. If it cracked like you said, and from my own experience owning a 13 year old XJ w/178K in New England, that line is brittle and will defy your every attempt at a clean splice. The hassle factor of splicing brittle line has more than a measurable cash value. Replacing the entire length in one shot may sound laborious but it is much less-so than patching with compression fittings and is surprisingly less expensive (materials-wise) than patchwork. The added comfort of knowing it will never fail again during your ownership is priceless. It's pay me now or pay me later (not me, but I think you know what I mean). The decision is yours. Don't forget to buy a large container of brake fluid and prep all bleeder nipples early in the process (before you actually need to do the brake system bleed). Best o' luck!
Thanks for the advice. I just moved to a new area so unfortunately I don't have anyone to help. The entire line did seem like a dubious task considering the length and all of the bends. I will consider it though.
Old 07-30-2012 | 10:54 PM
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replacing the full hard line isn't as bad as you might think

I did both my Xjs with pre-made sections from Advance Auto

take the line off in 1 piece if you can and measure it as best you can
I think it was around 100"

It took 2 long sections, 1 short adapter section and 2 couplers

the bends don't have to be exact, but use a tubing bender
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Originally Posted by timberwolf
replacing the full hard line isn't as bad as you might think

I did both my Xjs with pre-made sections from Advance Auto

take the line off in 1 piece if you can and measure it as best you can
I think it was around 100"

It took 2 long sections, 1 short adapter section and 2 couplers

the bends don't have to be exact, but use a tubing bender
Thank you for the idea.
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i just replaced all of my brake lines on my 93 XJ. All lines are 3/16" diameter. I purchased a 25 foot coil of tubing from Autozone for about $22. I got the tubing with a protective coating on it so it should last long. You will also need a double flaring tool and a tubing bender is highly recommended. Be careful of the fitting that attach to the master cyclinder and the proportioning valve as these are all different sizes. i re-used my old fitting there. I found it easier to gain access to the proportioning valver by removing the air filter box and hoses.

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Thanks everyone for the help. All the other lines looked good, so I ordered the one bad line from the dealer that was pre-bent. It went right on with no problems. Bled the system really well and everything seems great. Thanks again to you all. This site has saved me a ton of money in mechanic labor costs so far!
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Originally Posted by rgr4475
Thanks everyone for the help. All the other lines looked good, so I ordered the one bad line from the dealer that was pre-bent. It went right on with no problems. Bled the system really well and everything seems great. Thanks again to you all. This site has saved me a ton of money in mechanic labor costs so far!
Good job.

That's what I did. Lots of peace of mind knowing I had a well made line. I had to replace the soft line/vent adaptor at the rear axle tube as well. It was ate up. Got it from NAPA though.
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