New brake pads. Hoping for quick answer
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New brake pads. Hoping for quick answer
I’m currently doing my brake pads and it’s my first time. The outside pad fit in perfect but the inside pad can be pushed down to align with the outside pad but pops back up here’s a pic.
It doesn’t quite line up when I go to put the caliper bolts back in so I have to push the caliber down to line the bolts up. I just want to make sure nothings wrong before putting it back together as it’s my first time. Hoping for a quick reply cause I’m in the middle of it right now
It doesn’t quite line up when I go to put the caliper bolts back in so I have to push the caliber down to line the bolts up. I just want to make sure nothings wrong before putting it back together as it’s my first time. Hoping for a quick reply cause I’m in the middle of it right now
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Yep. He's talking about where the pad 'ears' rub on the knuckle. After enough years, the pads wear a low spot, which inhibits the movement of the pads, which is Not Good. They can't engage properly.
Look carefully at the areas in the yellow circles, below.
This can be fixed by welding it up and grinding it flat. There may be other ways to fix it.
Look carefully at the areas in the yellow circles, below.
This can be fixed by welding it up and grinding it flat. There may be other ways to fix it.
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Yep. He's talking about where the pad 'ears' rub on the knuckle. After enough years, the pads wear a low spot, which inhibits the movement of the pads, which is Not Good. They can't engage properly.
Look carefully at the areas in the yellow circles, below.
This can be fixed by welding it up and grinding it flat. There may be other ways to fix it.
Look carefully at the areas in the yellow circles, below.
This can be fixed by welding it up and grinding it flat. There may be other ways to fix it.
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I was going to say - if you're in a spot with limited tools etc - if the spots are not super deep you can sand the heck out of them and use a good amount of brake lube (being careful not to get it on the actual pads or rotor) to get you by until you can correctly fix it.
Being that knuckles are super pricey, it's probably cost efficient to weld them. A professional welder can fill that hole in minutes.
The thing to consider is that getting the knuckles off is not a trivial matter. Not that it's super difficult, but it requires pulling the front axles (This is easy enough, 3 13mm 12 point bolts and then the deep socket/bolt trick to pop the hub out.) and removing the ball joint nuts (cotter pins can be a PITA) and tie rod ends and then puling the knuckle off.
Being you're in Canada, your Jeep has probably seen a lot of road salt and moisture, so getting the knuckle off the ball joint studs may be a real pain.
When I did my Ball joints recently it took a f ton of blowtorching and many swings with a BFH (big f'n hammer)... I doubt if I cared to not damage the ball joints that I'd have gotten the knuckle off.
In short, I would seek out a shop that will fill the ruts on the vehicle or a welder that will come to you and fill them if you want to save a potential headache.
Being that knuckles are super pricey, it's probably cost efficient to weld them. A professional welder can fill that hole in minutes.
The thing to consider is that getting the knuckles off is not a trivial matter. Not that it's super difficult, but it requires pulling the front axles (This is easy enough, 3 13mm 12 point bolts and then the deep socket/bolt trick to pop the hub out.) and removing the ball joint nuts (cotter pins can be a PITA) and tie rod ends and then puling the knuckle off.
Being you're in Canada, your Jeep has probably seen a lot of road salt and moisture, so getting the knuckle off the ball joint studs may be a real pain.
When I did my Ball joints recently it took a f ton of blowtorching and many swings with a BFH (big f'n hammer)... I doubt if I cared to not damage the ball joints that I'd have gotten the knuckle off.
In short, I would seek out a shop that will fill the ruts on the vehicle or a welder that will come to you and fill them if you want to save a potential headache.
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I was going to say - if you're in a spot with limited tools etc - if the spots are not super deep you can sand the heck out of them and use a good amount of brake lube (being careful not to get it on the actual pads or rotor) to get you by until you can correctly fix it.
Being that knuckles are super pricey, it's probably cost efficient to weld them. A professional welder can fill that hole in minutes.
The thing to consider is that getting the knuckles off is not a trivial matter. Not that it's super difficult, but it requires pulling the front axles (This is easy enough, 3 13mm 12 point bolts and then the deep socket/bolt trick to pop the hub out.) and removing the ball joint nuts (cotter pins can be a PITA) and tie rod ends and then puling the knuckle off.
Being you're in Canada, your Jeep has probably seen a lot of road salt and moisture, so getting the knuckle off the ball joint studs may be a real pain.
When I did my Ball joints recently it took a f ton of blowtorching and many swings with a BFH (big f'n hammer)... I doubt if I cared to not damage the ball joints that I'd have gotten the knuckle off.
In short, I would seek out a shop that will fill the ruts on the vehicle or a welder that will come to you and fill them if you want to save a potential headache.
Being that knuckles are super pricey, it's probably cost efficient to weld them. A professional welder can fill that hole in minutes.
The thing to consider is that getting the knuckles off is not a trivial matter. Not that it's super difficult, but it requires pulling the front axles (This is easy enough, 3 13mm 12 point bolts and then the deep socket/bolt trick to pop the hub out.) and removing the ball joint nuts (cotter pins can be a PITA) and tie rod ends and then puling the knuckle off.
Being you're in Canada, your Jeep has probably seen a lot of road salt and moisture, so getting the knuckle off the ball joint studs may be a real pain.
When I did my Ball joints recently it took a f ton of blowtorching and many swings with a BFH (big f'n hammer)... I doubt if I cared to not damage the ball joints that I'd have gotten the knuckle off.
In short, I would seek out a shop that will fill the ruts on the vehicle or a welder that will come to you and fill them if you want to save a potential headache.
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Those look like double piston Teves calipers exactly like my WJ had. If so, I would assume the caliper brackets are bolted onto the back of the knuckle and not an integral part. If so, you can buy fully loaded calipers that have the brackets and pads already installed on them.
This is a 2000 Cherokee, right? If they are Teves, I would recommend changing them to Akebono in the near future. I had terrible service out of mine until I changed them. The only difference is you have to remove the brackets to get the rotors off with the Akebono. With the Teves, I had a run of stuck pistons, squealing brakes, and warped rotors until I switched. No problems since.
This is a 2000 Cherokee, right? If they are Teves, I would recommend changing them to Akebono in the near future. I had terrible service out of mine until I changed them. The only difference is you have to remove the brackets to get the rotors off with the Akebono. With the Teves, I had a run of stuck pistons, squealing brakes, and warped rotors until I switched. No problems since.
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Those look like double piston Teves calipers exactly like my WJ had. If so, I would assume the caliper brackets are bolted onto the back of the knuckle and not an integral part. If so, you can buy fully loaded calipers that have the brackets and pads already installed on them.
This is a 2000 Cherokee, right? If they are Teves, I would recommend changing them to Akebono in the near future. I had terrible service out of mine until I changed them. The only difference is you have to remove the brackets to get the rotors off with the Akebono. With the Teves, I had a run of stuck pistons, squealing brakes, and warped rotors until I switched. No problems since.
This is a 2000 Cherokee, right? If they are Teves, I would recommend changing them to Akebono in the near future. I had terrible service out of mine until I changed them. The only difference is you have to remove the brackets to get the rotors off with the Akebono. With the Teves, I had a run of stuck pistons, squealing brakes, and warped rotors until I switched. No problems since.
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Okay, they didn't go to double pistons in 2000 then. They are Teves then, but single piston Teves are fine. They are still used on the rear of the WJ. IDK why, but your picture had me confused, which is normal! LOL!
I'm a WJ guy, but a 4.0 is a 4.0! I'm getting bored with the Grand Cherokee forum, so bare with me please.
SO, your knuckles need to be welded. If the grooves aren't too deep, you can just file them smooth ONCE! After that the clearances get too large and the shoes will rattle. I suggest using a hard surfacing stick rod to weld them. Then they will last longer. If you're careful, I don't see why they can't be welded on the jeep without removing them.
I'm a WJ guy, but a 4.0 is a 4.0! I'm getting bored with the Grand Cherokee forum, so bare with me please.
SO, your knuckles need to be welded. If the grooves aren't too deep, you can just file them smooth ONCE! After that the clearances get too large and the shoes will rattle. I suggest using a hard surfacing stick rod to weld them. Then they will last longer. If you're careful, I don't see why they can't be welded on the jeep without removing them.
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Whatever works for you, guy! I'm a experienced toolmaker and used to doing stuff the best way I can think of.
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