Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here XJ (84-01)
All OEM related XJ specific tech. Examples, no start, general maintenance or anything that's stock.

Noisy Front Wheel Bearings

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 08-24-2012 | 04:22 PM
  #1  
280ezrider's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 52
Likes: 6
From: Southern Oregon Valley
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 LTR
Default Noisy Front Wheel Bearings

Itīs time to change them on a 1996 XJ Sport 2-WD. And because it is 2-WD, there is no axle through the center of the hub assembly, so to what does the center nut connect? It looks just like a conventional front wheel assembly with the nut that holds the bearings in place, screwed to the spindle.

Is it possible that there are spindles there and not hub assemblies? I have talked to a dealership, given them the VIN, and they tell me itīs still a matter of hub assemblies. What am I missing?
Old 08-24-2012 | 04:24 PM
  #2  
Lowrange2's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 15,016
Likes: 11
From: +34° 25' 35.67", -81° 21' 12.04"
Year: 1993
Engine: 4.0
Default

They use the same unit bearing. But instead of having an axle shaft u-joint 'tabs' you have an outer axle shaft with nothing on the back.
Old 08-24-2012 | 04:29 PM
  #3  
Lowrange2's Avatar
Junior Member
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 15,016
Likes: 11
From: +34° 25' 35.67", -81° 21' 12.04"
Year: 1993
Engine: 4.0
Default

Urg, a picture online does not seem to exist.

Just take the nut loose, remove the bearing and you'll see what I mean.

Just make sure you put that stub shaft in the new bearing or it'll spell out a really bad day in the near future.
Old 08-24-2012 | 11:23 PM
  #4  
5-90's Avatar
CF Veteran
 
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 3,018
Likes: 17
Year: 1988
Model: Cherokee
Engine: AMC242
Default

Originally Posted by lowrange2
They use the same unit bearing. But instead of having an axle shaft u-joint 'tabs' you have an outer axle shaft with nothing on the back.
Correct.

It's called a "stub shaft."

The reason it's there is that the hub bearing assembly can't take the radial loading on its own. Long time ago, they had a spindle to take the weight of the vehicle, and the bearings mounted to the spindle.

When they went to a unitised bearing setup, they did away with the spindle. The stub shaft is cheaper to machine, and it's also a good deal cheaper than building the hub assembly to take the radial loading.

However, proper torque of the stub shaft nut is still important, since that's what provides axial preload on the bearing assembly (too loose or too tight, and the bearings will destroy themselves!)

You're probably still thinking "spindle" (I usually am, but that unitised hub bearing setup is getting more and more popular...) which is what's causing you trouble.

My problem is that I came up on old F-bodies and Y-bodies, so I find myself switching gears a lot (although I'm used to doing my own diagnostic thinking, so that's a plus!)
Old 08-25-2012 | 06:07 PM
  #5  
280ezrider's Avatar
Thread Starter
Junior Member
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 52
Likes: 6
From: Southern Oregon Valley
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 LTR
Default

Originally Posted by 5-90
Correct.

It's called a "stub shaft."

The reason it's there is that the hub bearing assembly can't take the radial loading on its own. Long time ago, they had a spindle to take the weight of the vehicle, and the bearings mounted to the spindle.

When they went to a unitised bearing setup, they did away with the spindle. The stub shaft is cheaper to machine, and it's also a good deal cheaper than building the hub assembly to take the radial loading.

However, proper torque of the stub shaft nut is still important, since that's what provides axial preload on the bearing assembly (too loose or too tight, and the bearings will destroy themselves!)

You're probably still thinking "spindle" (I usually am, but that unitised hub bearing setup is getting more and more popular...) which is what's causing you trouble.

My problem is that I came up on old F-bodies and Y-bodies, so I find myself switching gears a lot (although I'm used to doing my own diagnostic thinking, so that's a plus!)
This all makes sense, thanks! Any idea what the torque is for the stub shaft nut, and is it the same torque that is used on the 4-WD using an axle?

************************************************** ************************

I just found the torque for 4-WD axle shaft nut (175 ft lbs), but no mention of 2-WD. I guess they are the same since the axle shaft and stub shaft are the same diameter, right?

Last edited by 280ezrider; 08-25-2012 at 07:44 PM. Reason: Found info
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
AKghandi
Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here
7
08-28-2015 03:09 PM
thebyus
Modified XJ Cherokee Tech
3
08-25-2015 07:02 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:11 AM.