Oil pressure was low, mechanic says I need a new engine. Help!
#31
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Funny story. Back in the days when automatic transmissions were the newest thing since sliced bread, Ford had a problem with the clutch plates getting glazed after a certain mileage and slipping, so what did they do? They put a very fine....grit.. in their fluid! That fixed the glazing problem, but wore out the valve body and pumps sooner. My dad is the guy who told me that so you can take it to the bank. His love of Fords is what drove me to Mopars. The competition is what drove me to Chevys. One certain 67 Z28 to be specific.
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ATF does tends to act as a solvent on grease
I have not, and would not, do it
#33
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My Grandfather used to use kerosene to clean sludge out of an engine by draining 2 quarts of oil and adding 2 quarts of kerosene, then running the engine for 20 minutes, then draining it. The stuff used to come out in chunks! Personally, I wouldn't do it. This was back in the 50s when engines weren't so highly stressed as they are now.
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My Grandfather used to use kerosene to clean sludge out of an engine by draining 2 quarts of oil and adding 2 quarts of kerosene, then running the engine for 20 minutes, then draining it. The stuff used to come out in chunks! Personally, I wouldn't do it. This was back in the 50s when engines weren't so highly stressed as they are now.
While it is trapped deep in the sludge, its essentially harmless
should it be freed by "solvent" those sand particles would score the heck out of bearings in no time
#35
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There shouldn't be any casting sand in the oil pan, EVER! If it was inside the cooling system where it's normally missed, it'll plug radiators or heater cores, but how can it get into the oil? Unless someone sabotaged the engine, that is. Running without an air filter will destroy an engine before it can collect in the pan.
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Poor OP. Probably getting daily emails about everyone responding to his thread for a Jeep that he parted ways with since he hasn't been back since the first day of posting. The conversation has traveled far from the original path. LOL.
#37
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This is the additive package for DEX-MERC in parts per million
BORON 62
SODIUM 4
CALCIUM 128
PHOSPHORUS 262
ZINC 27
BARIUM 6
There's really nothing to ATF. ATF is all about viscosity. A specific viscosity that was found have the best possible compatibility with a manufacturers line of transmissions.
#38
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The big part of ATF is it maintains it's viscosity over a very wide range of temperatures and remains stable. Excellent properties for a hydraulic fluid and a lubricant. It doesn't have the film strength for sleeve bearings under load, however.
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Have you had the Jeep for the whole 90k whatever miles? Is the head original?
The most likely way a 90k Jeep I6 gets to the point of having bad oil pressure/bearings and talk of needing a new engine is if the 0331 head cracked and someone drove it for a while with coolant contaminated oil.
It sounds like that is what you're dealing with. In which case the engine, despite it's legendary durability and low mileage, is basically sitting in the grey area between Good and Bad. It's running at low, just under min spec, pressure, the block is probably rough but not ruined. Bear in mind that it's not -just- the bearings that were excessively worn, the inadequate lubrication means the cylinders are pretty buggered up as well.
30 weight refers to the second number on the oil rating... like 10w-30, 5w-30. Sometimes it refers to SAE30 (sometimes called "straight 30") which is used in 4 cycle engines typically (aka, push mower, snowblower sort of thing). I'd be using 40 or above on that, so 10w-40, 15w-40.. it's "thicker" oil, more "weight" so to speak. The diesel oil seems a good idea for your situation, especially if you don't have to pass emissions testing and can live with less than perfect catalytic converter function.
I feel your pain on seeing the engine so rough at such low mileage. If I were you, I'd follow the excellent advice of the prior posters and try heavier oil, but I'd also be on the lookout for a potential engine sometime in the future. It may be months, maybe years, that it will run as it is, but it's awful close to failure and if it is a case of coolant contaminated oil damage, it's going to fail at some point and even the block is not worth trying to save. I'd stay calm, keep an eye out for an excellent condition complete 00-01 engine with Tupy/clearwater head or excellent block 80 something - 01 XJ/99 TJ/98 GC and plans to buy a new clearwater head and if you find one, get it and store it until your current engine fails, or replace it when conditions are right preemptively.
Just my opinion. Don't panic or give up on the Jeep... an engine swap is not as bad as you might fear and you don't need to be a professional wrench turner to do it yourself on these Jeeps.
The most likely way a 90k Jeep I6 gets to the point of having bad oil pressure/bearings and talk of needing a new engine is if the 0331 head cracked and someone drove it for a while with coolant contaminated oil.
It sounds like that is what you're dealing with. In which case the engine, despite it's legendary durability and low mileage, is basically sitting in the grey area between Good and Bad. It's running at low, just under min spec, pressure, the block is probably rough but not ruined. Bear in mind that it's not -just- the bearings that were excessively worn, the inadequate lubrication means the cylinders are pretty buggered up as well.
30 weight refers to the second number on the oil rating... like 10w-30, 5w-30. Sometimes it refers to SAE30 (sometimes called "straight 30") which is used in 4 cycle engines typically (aka, push mower, snowblower sort of thing). I'd be using 40 or above on that, so 10w-40, 15w-40.. it's "thicker" oil, more "weight" so to speak. The diesel oil seems a good idea for your situation, especially if you don't have to pass emissions testing and can live with less than perfect catalytic converter function.
I feel your pain on seeing the engine so rough at such low mileage. If I were you, I'd follow the excellent advice of the prior posters and try heavier oil, but I'd also be on the lookout for a potential engine sometime in the future. It may be months, maybe years, that it will run as it is, but it's awful close to failure and if it is a case of coolant contaminated oil damage, it's going to fail at some point and even the block is not worth trying to save. I'd stay calm, keep an eye out for an excellent condition complete 00-01 engine with Tupy/clearwater head or excellent block 80 something - 01 XJ/99 TJ/98 GC and plans to buy a new clearwater head and if you find one, get it and store it until your current engine fails, or replace it when conditions are right preemptively.
Just my opinion. Don't panic or give up on the Jeep... an engine swap is not as bad as you might fear and you don't need to be a professional wrench turner to do it yourself on these Jeeps.
Obviously want to keep her in top shape...but it is comforting to know that if something does hit the fan.... it still might not leave you on the side of the road like most other vehicles would. Wish they still built them like our XJs.
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The only one I can think of off the top of my head is the old Mopar Slant-Six, however that engine went out of production right around the time the AMC/Rambler six was morphed into the Jeep 4.0.
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