Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here XJ (84-01)
All OEM related XJ specific tech. Examples, no start, general maintenance or anything that's stock.

P1391 Code

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 03-06-2020, 05:24 PM
  #16  
awg
CF Veteran
 
awg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 3,543
Received 660 Likes on 563 Posts
Year: 96
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by TJ805
After replacing the crank sensor with a MOPAR, repairing 4 damaged wires and a splice, I was still getting the code. On a whim I put the old crank sensor back in and the engine light is now gone. I'm waiting for the codes to clear. I've driven about 30 miles and wonder how long this usually takes. Can't drive too much due to expired tags that I can't renew until it passes smog.
You need to clear the code with a scanner, especially for that code..everyone with an OBD2 XJ needs a scanner..it would be like not having screwdrivers
Old 03-06-2020, 06:58 PM
  #17  
Member
Thread Starter
 
TJ805's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 147
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Originally Posted by 4x4jeepmanthing
many times the second start up can throw the CEL if somethings still wrong
Thanks, but I'm not sure what you mean. I've started this 20-30 times along the way. I found no pattern related to second start up. Right now I have no start up issues and the cel is off. Just waiting for the monitors to clear...
Old 03-06-2020, 07:01 PM
  #18  
Member
Thread Starter
 
TJ805's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 147
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Originally Posted by awg
You need to clear the code with a scanner, especially for that code..everyone with an OBD2 XJ needs a scanner..it would be like not having screwdrivers
I've previously cleared the code several times, but it came back along with the CEL. Right now I have no CEL and I'm waiting for the "monitors to clear" before I can pass smog. I don't think clearing the "codes" with my actron clears the monitors, but I don't know the device very well, so I'm gonna drive it for a while and let the smog guy handle the rest...

Last edited by TJ805; 03-06-2020 at 07:06 PM.
Old 03-06-2020, 09:25 PM
  #19  
awg
CF Veteran
 
awg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 3,543
Received 660 Likes on 563 Posts
Year: 96
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by TJ805
I've previously cleared the code several times, but it came back along with the CEL. Right now I have no CEL and I'm waiting for the "monitors to clear" before I can pass smog. I don't think clearing the "codes" with my actron clears the monitors, but I don't know the device very well, so I'm gonna drive it for a while and let the smog guy handle the rest...
good that you have cleared the codes

To my knowledge, the XJ PCM "learns" from its previous 50 starts

If the PCM is shorted ( in the prescribed manner), it will be reset to Factory spec, and re-learn from there..acording to the FSM
The following users liked this post:
TJ805 (03-06-2020)
Old 03-06-2020, 10:46 PM
  #20  
CF Veteran
 
4x4jeepmanthing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: CO
Posts: 1,011
Likes: 0
Received 20 Likes on 18 Posts
Year: 99
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by TJ805
Thanks, but I'm not sure what you mean. I've started this 20-30 times along the way. I found no pattern related to second start up. Right now I have no start up issues and the cel is off. Just waiting for the monitors to clear...
disregard then, non applicable in this situation
The following users liked this post:
TJ805 (03-06-2020)
Old 03-06-2020, 11:23 PM
  #21  
Member
Thread Starter
 
TJ805's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 147
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Originally Posted by awg
good that you have cleared the codes

To my knowledge, the XJ PCM "learns" from its previous 50 starts

If the PCM is shorted ( in the prescribed manner), it will be reset to Factory spec, and re-learn from there..acording to the FSM
Thanks. I'm under the impression that I need to drive the car for a while ( 50-100 miles) to "reset the monitors". I'm doing this on the recommendation of the smog guy. I have shorted the pcm previously, and I have erased codes with the Actron, but that was with the faulty crank sensor, and the cel came back. Do these two things lead to the same result? What am I missing? Will shorting the pcm "clear the monitors". I don't even know what a monitor is in this context. I traced and fixed several shorts, including a faulty new MOPAR crank sensor. The shop claims to have "synced the sensors" and there is currently no check engine light. I have not tested it for codes because I was gonna drive it as prescribed and then test it. Another way to put it is that I feel as though if I find codes and erase them, I will then have to start over on the 50-100 mile cycle. Does shorting the pcm clear the monitors the same that driving is supposed to? The honest truth is that I'm so damned happy to have gotten rid of the CEL, (it's been about 30 miles and 10 startups), that I don't want to jinx it...

Last edited by TJ805; 03-07-2020 at 12:04 AM.
Old 03-07-2020, 07:48 PM
  #22  
awg
CF Veteran
 
awg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Posts: 3,543
Received 660 Likes on 563 Posts
Year: 96
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

I dont think just driving it will clear the monitors..it may on other vehicles, but to the very best of my knowledge, post-update XJ "learns" from its previous 50 starts, so will keep changing adapting bit continually, I believe most newer vehicles use this method

If you really want to be sure, download the FSM, and read the PCM section..or Google or Search the Forum

I would imagine after 10-20 starts with everything fixed, it would be easy enough just to start it quite a few times in a row, and you would soon be up to 50
The following users liked this post:
TJ805 (03-11-2020)
Old 03-11-2020, 05:00 PM
  #23  
Member
Thread Starter
 
TJ805's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 147
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Well I got my smog cert today and am pretty geeked up about it. I fixed at least 4 potential shorts and undid a head scratching bypass that a previous owner did. After all that, it was the faulty new MOPAR crank sensor that made this a challenge. Now I just need to figure out which injectors to use. I have the stock single hole ones in for smog and plan on putting in some Bosch 4 hole rated 25.5# at 49. It's a 4.6 stroker rolling assembly...
Old 03-12-2020, 07:16 AM
  #24  
CF Veteran
 
97grand4.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: syracuse ny
Posts: 2,800
Received 179 Likes on 166 Posts
Year: 1997
Model: Grand Cherokee (ZJ)
Engine: 4.0, new lifters valve job with new springs and exhaust valves, preload set with shims
Default

So to be clear, this vehicle is now on the road, correct?
Old 03-12-2020, 03:30 PM
  #25  
Member
Thread Starter
 
TJ805's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 147
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Passed the smog test, registering it Sat, then it will be my Son's first car...
Old 03-12-2020, 03:36 PM
  #26  
CF Veteran
 
97grand4.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: syracuse ny
Posts: 2,800
Received 179 Likes on 166 Posts
Year: 1997
Model: Grand Cherokee (ZJ)
Engine: 4.0, new lifters valve job with new springs and exhaust valves, preload set with shims
Default

Originally Posted by TJ805
Passed the smog test, registering it Sat, then it will be my Son's first car...
That's great. And Dad's project. Works. What is the oil pressure now hot and cold? Curious.
Old 03-13-2020, 11:58 AM
  #27  
Member
Thread Starter
 
TJ805's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 147
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

Originally Posted by 97grand4.0
That's great. And Dad's project. Works. What is the oil pressure now hot and cold? Curious.
Here you go. I think the OP is good. I need to start taking care of chassis and exhaust now. Also new injectors. I got some 4 hole Bosch that I want to try out.

Cold start @ Idle- 1000 RPM- 50 psi

Operating Temp , 210 degrees, @ Idle- 650 RPM- 30 psi

Accelerating to 2000 RPM in park- Back up to 50

Last edited by TJ805; 03-13-2020 at 12:45 PM.
Old 03-13-2020, 12:09 PM
  #28  
CF Veteran
 
97grand4.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: syracuse ny
Posts: 2,800
Received 179 Likes on 166 Posts
Year: 1997
Model: Grand Cherokee (ZJ)
Engine: 4.0, new lifters valve job with new springs and exhaust valves, preload set with shims
Default

Originally Posted by TJ805
Here you go. I think the OP is good. I need to start taking care of chassis and exhaust now. Also new injectors. I got some 4 hole Bosch that I want to try out.

Cold start @ Idle- 1000 RPM- 50 psi

Operating Temp @ Idle- 650 RPM- 30 psi

Accelerating to 2000 RPM in park- Back up to 50
Well that is about the same pressure I have in my 210k mile zj, all the way around. Interesting.
The following users liked this post:
TJ805 (03-14-2020)
Old 04-27-2020, 01:34 PM
  #29  
Member
Thread Starter
 
TJ805's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 147
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Default

All is good with the XJ cel and P1391 code, but now we have a "no bus" reading on the cluster. Took it apart, cleaned it, and it went away for a week, but is now back. Does anyone have a suggestion of the next logical step?
-Thanks as always!
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Kyle
Trail Reports
11
01-14-2023 11:54 AM
TimmyThaKid
Jeep Builds
14
02-02-2011 11:01 AM
Trickynick89
Trail Reports
7
08-19-2010 11:42 AM
85on32+4
Trail Reports
4
11-12-2009 08:25 PM

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 


Quick Reply: P1391 Code



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:25 AM.