Runs like garbage - 180ish psi on Cyl #6
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If you get a bore scope, get the #6 piston to bottom dead center and take a look at the cylinder walls for scoring, I would assume that the valves are sealing well if you have high compression pressure, so that would indicate either the rings on the piston have failed in an unusual way, or have carbon build up so bad that it isn't letting much blow by. If that is the case, then the cylinder wall will look scored differently from the others. In any case, sounds like you are going to have to go into the motor but before that you may want to try the "steam clean" method of cleaning out the cylinder heads..
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f30/st...-4-0-a-226299/
hope this helps
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f30/st...-4-0-a-226299/
hope this helps
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Doesn't look like #6 plug is firing.
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yes, but that one isnt
a borescope that connects to your phone or laptop and fits down the hole is so cheap, I spill that much drinking on friday night
even if it tells you nothing, its easier and cheaper than pulling the valve cover, then cylinder head, which you will probably have to do, if the motor is running poorly
you can look up your pants with it when finished lol
a borescope that connects to your phone or laptop and fits down the hole is so cheap, I spill that much drinking on friday night
even if it tells you nothing, its easier and cheaper than pulling the valve cover, then cylinder head, which you will probably have to do, if the motor is running poorly
you can look up your pants with it when finished lol
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If you get a bore scope, get the #6 piston to bottom dead center and take a look at the cylinder walls for scoring, I would assume that the valves are sealing well if you have high compression pressure, so that would indicate either the rings on the piston have failed in an unusual way, or have carbon build up so bad that it isn't letting much blow by. If that is the case, then the cylinder wall will look scored differently from the others. In any case, sounds like you are going to have to go into the motor but before that you may want to try the "steam clean" method of cleaning out the cylinder heads..
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f30/st...-4-0-a-226299/
hope this helps
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f30/st...-4-0-a-226299/
hope this helps
The thing is I jumped on the opportunity to buy another 2wd XJ in much better shape than this one so I've got another Jeep to transfer parts to with a better motor and chassis. So I'm weighing options at this point, but it looks more and more like I'm going to dive into the swap
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This is my thought as well, seems like that cylinder is not firing for some reason. Whether the spark is being blown out, or missing entirely for some reason...it looks like it's just not firing, and the way it runs leads me to that conclusion as well.
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Seems like I got your pictures mixed up..obviously 6 is the wet one due to not firing...but the compression has nothing to do with it. ..Don't know why its high but unless you have a bad cap or wire it just might be a bad plug..or its firing but not burning due to improper fuel air ratio due to whatever is causing your high compression
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Good.
On several occasions we have experienced spark plugs that looked serviceable and bench tests good yet drivability issues persisted.
As part of the diagnostic procedure the coil/wires/etc. were tested and replaced if needed. Visually the plugs were serviceable, they fired blue hot "on the bench". No amount of cleaning & sand blasting would resurrect the plugs. The only cure was replacement.
Our pet theory was and is that under the correct conditions of damp plug and weak spark, one of the many chemicals added to gasoline flash formed a semi conductive ground path between the plug tip and casing.
On several occasions we have experienced spark plugs that looked serviceable and bench tests good yet drivability issues persisted.
As part of the diagnostic procedure the coil/wires/etc. were tested and replaced if needed. Visually the plugs were serviceable, they fired blue hot "on the bench". No amount of cleaning & sand blasting would resurrect the plugs. The only cure was replacement.
Our pet theory was and is that under the correct conditions of damp plug and weak spark, one of the many chemicals added to gasoline flash formed a semi conductive ground path between the plug tip and casing.
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alternatively, a spark tester is another very cheap tool
It may or may not be the case, but improper firing of a plug can be greatly influenced by compression and other factors with the combustion chamber at the moment of ignition, (so it may fire externally, but not under "duress")....pointing to a peek inside
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So lay that slug on the grounded engine and run it. It will be immediately obvious whether its firing and the color of spark give additional clues
alternatively, a spark tester is another very cheap tool
It may or may not be the case, but improper firing of a plug can be greatly influenced by compression and other factors with the combustion chamber at the moment of ignition, (so it may fire externally, but not under "duress")....pointing to a peek inside
alternatively, a spark tester is another very cheap tool
It may or may not be the case, but improper firing of a plug can be greatly influenced by compression and other factors with the combustion chamber at the moment of ignition, (so it may fire externally, but not under "duress")....pointing to a peek inside
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have you also tried pulling each spark plug lead, one at a time, and see how engine RPM alters accordingly
In theory, this should isolate (a single) poorly functional cylinder
I use a reflective tape on damper for this, so the RPM count is very accurate
In theory, this should isolate (a single) poorly functional cylinder
I use a reflective tape on damper for this, so the RPM count is very accurate
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I'm leaning heavily towards just ripping into this 4x4 swap project so I can pull the motor and get it on a stand for a rebuild anyhow
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Did I miss the post where you swapped plugs and/or injectors with #6 cylinder? You mention no change in idle with #6 injector connector removed so I'm assuming that got swapped out as a first approach to see if the problem followed the injector (or plug).
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You didn't miss it, I came here for some brainstorming before I continued down that testing path. Being that I already have another XJ to transfer all the drivetrain into it's a battle of effort/time at this point. Do I spend more time trying to figure this out when IMO we have enough signs pointing to some kind of top end issue or at least a very gummed up cylinder? I'm leaning towards no, I think my time would be better spent ripping these XJs apart and getting them melded into one solid rig with a good amount of extra parts including this motor in question sitting on a stand :-)
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