Slight miss at idle. No power. No CEL. I'm stumped
#16
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From: Oregon (Wetside)
Year: 1990
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0l
Compression test, then you know its not a major part. Have you done the grounds refreshing all over ? 67GMC touched on the subject a bit. If compression is good then your computer is only adjusting to what signals it is getting from sensors, voltage and grounds can effect those inputs.
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From: Georgia
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
A little bit of new info. It's been hard starting cold. It just gave me a hell of a time. Dying at idle. Had to give it throttle to keep it going. Violent shaking. It did not like running. I let it die then turned off ignition.
This thing really doesn't like a cold start.
What causes really rough cold starts?
This thing really doesn't like a cold start.
What causes really rough cold starts?
#19
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From: Georgia
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
I just measured 4 ohms of resistance on the heater wires. Heated the tip up with a mini torch and had a hard time reaching 1volt. Best reading I saw was around 1/10 volt with the tip glowing. Not sure if this is a reliable test.
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From: Fort Erie, CANADA
Year: 1987
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Did you look into scanning it? I don't know about 1994/1995 years as that was about the time things were changing to OBDII I believe. Most of the equipment can read the codes being set (or you use that paper-clip method to make the light flash out the codes). Does your check engine light come on while starting to see if the bulb works?
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From: Canton, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
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From: Canton, MI
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Have you noticed the coolant level in your overflow reservoir going down? Having to add a little bit of coolant?
You may have coolant leaking in to a cylinder from a bad head gasket.
You may have coolant leaking in to a cylinder from a bad head gasket.
#23
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From: Georgia
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Did you look into scanning it? I don't know about 1994/1995 years as that was about the time things were changing to OBDII I believe. Most of the equipment can read the codes being set (or you use that paper-clip method to make the light flash out the codes). Does your check engine light come on while starting to see if the bulb works?
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From: Georgia
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
This is not a daily driver at the moment. Just a project. That I really want finished. Ha.
I pressure tested a year ago after the new motor was installed, flushed, and filled. Coolant still nice and green.
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From: Georgia
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
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Ugh. I can't win for losing. I replaced the O2 sensor and now I'm getting a no start condition. The first attempt to start seemed to almost start, but, was going to be very rough. Battery was weak so I threw a 10amp charger on it and waited 15. Tried it. One revolution it tried to pick up then nothing. Have tried 10 times. 2-3 times it tried to pick up on a revolution but nothing. Strong crank.
I pulled ignition coil wire and verified strong spark. Spark is coming through distributer. I checked two terminals and both are sparking. Had a little fuel in the rail. I pushed in shrader valve and it didn't get a quick stream like I thought. It trickled out. Next time I checked it didnt do much at all.
I'm not hearing the fuel pump kick on. It's brand new. It's airtex...I know. I verified 6 ish volts to the fuel pump. Thoughts? I returned the fuel pump pressure tester last weekend when I knew fuel system was good. Ugh. Should I go get it?
Fml
I pulled ignition coil wire and verified strong spark. Spark is coming through distributer. I checked two terminals and both are sparking. Had a little fuel in the rail. I pushed in shrader valve and it didn't get a quick stream like I thought. It trickled out. Next time I checked it didnt do much at all.
I'm not hearing the fuel pump kick on. It's brand new. It's airtex...I know. I verified 6 ish volts to the fuel pump. Thoughts? I returned the fuel pump pressure tester last weekend when I knew fuel system was good. Ugh. Should I go get it?
Fml
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From: Georgia
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Replced fuel pump with Bosch. She purs again. However, I think I see a problem. Just re-did my compression test. Results below. Got her almost up to operating temp to start the test. Guage was broke so I had to rent another one. I already pulled the plugs and wires before I noticed this. By the time I got back, motor was warm but no where near operating temp. Did test anyway. All plugs removed and foot on accelerator to the floor (for WOT). All number at 5-6 revolutions based on listening to starter.
1. 123
2. 129
3. 120
4. 130
5. 135
6. 113
All of these look a little low to me. At the bottom end of acceptable. The problem one is number 6. 22 psi below the highest reading and 8psi below the bottom threshold. I know from previous testing, putting oil in there does bring compression test up to about 125 or 130. I know the rings are failing.
Is this causing my rough idle? A better way to describe it is a shake at idle. It sounds fine, but, there is definitely a shake and hesitation.
1. 123
2. 129
3. 120
4. 130
5. 135
6. 113
All of these look a little low to me. At the bottom end of acceptable. The problem one is number 6. 22 psi below the highest reading and 8psi below the bottom threshold. I know from previous testing, putting oil in there does bring compression test up to about 125 or 130. I know the rings are failing.
Is this causing my rough idle? A better way to describe it is a shake at idle. It sounds fine, but, there is definitely a shake and hesitation.
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From: Georgia
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0