sudden mpg drop - winter blend fuel?
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From: Grand Haven, Michigan
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 I6
sudden mpg drop - winter blend fuel?
im big on keeping track of my mpg in my jeep.
ive noticed a drop in mpg ever since i put a new fuel pump, sending unit. and cleaned the throttle body
i was getting around 17-17.5 mpg calculated on paper
now im getting 15-16
i keep track b/c when i see dramatic drops like this, i know something isnt right
my drop in mpg has been for the last 2-3 weeks
i thought a new fuel pump/sending unit/throttle body clean would improve it
plugs,wires, cap,rotor, new o2 sensor all done about 4 months ago...and like i said mpg was up
now i have a drop
could it be winter blend fuel?
ive noticed a drop in mpg ever since i put a new fuel pump, sending unit. and cleaned the throttle body
i was getting around 17-17.5 mpg calculated on paper
now im getting 15-16
i keep track b/c when i see dramatic drops like this, i know something isnt right
my drop in mpg has been for the last 2-3 weeks
i thought a new fuel pump/sending unit/throttle body clean would improve it
plugs,wires, cap,rotor, new o2 sensor all done about 4 months ago...and like i said mpg was up
now i have a drop
could it be winter blend fuel?
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From: Bergen County, New Jersey U.S.A.
Year: 1990 Laredo
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Engine: 4.0 Inline 6 Renix
well winter blend fuel starts in sept around here anyway....How is it running? How many miles on your tune up stuff? did you get a brass cap and rotor? good wires? and if you have a 2000 are there not 2 o2 sensors? did you do both?
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How many MPG samples have you taken? Get at least 4 before coming to any conclusions. Gotta do the math; miles driven divided by gallons consumed.
And yes, fuel blend can be in play here. As well as slightly richer mixtures during startup in cold weather, idling, etc.
It would not be unusual to see what you are seeing all things considered. I wouldn't be concerned.
And yes, fuel blend can be in play here. As well as slightly richer mixtures during startup in cold weather, idling, etc.
It would not be unusual to see what you are seeing all things considered. I wouldn't be concerned.
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Year: 1999
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cap, rotor are brass
all tune up stuff was done about 3 months ago...along with a new o2 sensor
i did the o2 sensor upper one (my jeep is a 99) so it has a upstream and a down stream
i replaced the upstream one only and saw my mpg go up...
my mpg was up until about 2 weeks ago when i replaced the fuel pump, filter, sending unit and cleaned the throttle body
ever since then my mpg has been down about 2 mpg
and i have taken about 12 fillups or more since i bought the jeep
started out at 16, tune up got me almost 18
now, for the past 2 weeks im in the 15ish range
the only thing that changed other than the fuel system was the weather..it got colder...now i do let me jeep warm up for a few minutes...but that shouldnt bring me down almost 3 mpg
all tune up stuff was done about 3 months ago...along with a new o2 sensor
i did the o2 sensor upper one (my jeep is a 99) so it has a upstream and a down stream
i replaced the upstream one only and saw my mpg go up...
my mpg was up until about 2 weeks ago when i replaced the fuel pump, filter, sending unit and cleaned the throttle body
ever since then my mpg has been down about 2 mpg
and i have taken about 12 fillups or more since i bought the jeep
started out at 16, tune up got me almost 18
now, for the past 2 weeks im in the 15ish range
the only thing that changed other than the fuel system was the weather..it got colder...now i do let me jeep warm up for a few minutes...but that shouldnt bring me down almost 3 mpg
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From: Bergen County, New Jersey U.S.A.
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The downstream o2 sensor will affect gas mileage, not as much as the upstream, but it affects it nonetheless. the downstream sensor measures the effectiveness of the cat and a bad sensor will tell the ECU to compensate for the lack of a cat, thus making fuel/air mix different. Will it be noticeable,maybe if you are paying attention like you are, might only be 1 or 2 mpg off , but it will affect it. hopes this helps
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Well.. Cold air is denser than warm air. So when your jeep is breathing in cold air, the computer sees that it's bringing in a lot of air, so it starts dumping more fuel to compensate. This will cause a (noticeable) decrease in mpg's. So it's possible that this has some bearing on it..
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From: Grand Haven, Michigan
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The downstream o2 sensor will affect gas mileage, not as much as the upstream, but it affects it nonetheless. the downstream sensor measures the effectiveness of the cat and a bad sensor will tell the ECU to compensate for the lack of a cat, thus making fuel/air mix different. Will it be noticeable,maybe if you are paying attention like you are, might only be 1 or 2 mpg off , but it will affect it. hopes this helps
hmm...i will have to research this now
and yes...it has got colder...so i did expect it to go down some..but now quite this much....oh well...not much i can do i guess
i will research this more
thanks
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Doesn't downstream measure cat function? It reads the exhaust gasses and determines if they are being properly processed. If there's a leak or poor cat performance. I think... I've also been told its important to have a working downstream sensor, too..
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Most importantly get some sort of instant ODBII feedback gauge such as Scangauge or Ultragauge (cheaper). This way you can see instant fuel economy feedback so you can see if your cruising mpgs are abnormally low or if the warm-ups and open loop mode along with the lower quality winter blend gas are the issues.
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This could certainly be the case...idling fuel consumption is horrible for MPG. Also the ODBII system will stay in Open Loop mode until a certain engine temp is reached so your A/F mixture is going to be richer for longer in the winter. Get a partial grill block, an engine block heater or park your car inside.
Most importantly get some sort of instant ODBII feedback gauge such as Scangauge or Ultragauge (cheaper). This way you can see instant fuel economy feedback so you can see if your cruising mpgs are abnormally low or if the warm-ups and open loop mode along with the lower quality winter blend gas are the issues.
Most importantly get some sort of instant ODBII feedback gauge such as Scangauge or Ultragauge (cheaper). This way you can see instant fuel economy feedback so you can see if your cruising mpgs are abnormally low or if the warm-ups and open loop mode along with the lower quality winter blend gas are the issues.
my 2 guesses on what it could be:
colder weather/winter fuel
more shorter trips...never heats all the way up
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Year: 1987 Comanche,1990
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My dad believes that gas companies are watering down their fuel more, making it cheaper for them to produce and create a larger profit. Check the O2 for starters.