Temp Issues????
#61
I'm learning. This was my first time replacing a thermostat.
#62
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From: Grand Haven, Michigan
Year: 1998, 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
This is confusing... Now we have 2 different people with the same problem answering questions... We have the 1996 Cherokee of Zach's and the 2000 Cherokee...
#63
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From: Tenn. and Mich.
Year: 2004
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.7L V8
I have done everything that I could possible think of, and the water pump was brand new. I put a new clutch fan in, new t-stat new liquid drained it and everything. So I don't have a clue why it is still doing this unless the sending unit is gone bad because it has never bubbled over or anything, never over heated.
I did run the heater and wondered why it was not working. When I touched heater inlet hose it was warm only towards the engine side and not at the firewall end. Initially I thought it was clogged, but realized that it was due to lack of antifreeze in inside the hose.
I'm learning. This was my first time replacing a thermostat.
I'm learning. This was my first time replacing a thermostat.
These computer controlled engines must have a 195* t-stat in order for the comp. systems to read and function properly.
I say you need to flush the rad, replace the water pump, verify the correct temp. t-stat, refill w/50% anti freeze 50% water mix, PURGE the system of all air, and watch your temp gauge. If it climbs over 220* again without dropping, shut it down and let it cool off. I'll be suprised if you don't have a warped head already. JMO
Last edited by ol"blue; 05-31-2009 at 09:31 PM.
#65
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From: CT.
Year: 88
Model: Comanche (MJ)
Engine: 4.0 HO
if you had a shop put that pump in depending what kind of shop. They most likley put the cheapest pump they could find in your jeep for maximum profit margin. say pump cost them $23.86 from china on your bill its gonna say high quality whatever price $114.56 just a example. I've seen new water pumps trash themselfs within a week. The impeller might not be on the shaft tightly enough and just sit there idle while the shaft spins. I've seen it happen. Take the pump off and check it. I've read this whole thread and running out of ideas besides possible head gasket or a plugged radiator cores. The head gasket might not be leaking from the outside. But that dosin't mean it's not leaking internally.
#66
These computer controlled engines must have a 195* t-stat in order for the comp. systems to read and function properly.
I say you need to flush the rad, replace the water pump, verify the correct temp. t-stat, refill w/50% anti freeze 50% water mix, PURGE the system of all air, and watch your temp gauge. If it climbs over 220* again without dropping, shut it down and let it cool off. I'll be suprised if you don't have a warped head already. JMO
I say you need to flush the rad, replace the water pump, verify the correct temp. t-stat, refill w/50% anti freeze 50% water mix, PURGE the system of all air, and watch your temp gauge. If it climbs over 220* again without dropping, shut it down and let it cool off. I'll be suprised if you don't have a warped head already. JMO
I went with the 180F thermostat after it was recommended by an Autozone worker. He said it's more appropriate for Seattle area. I'd hate to go through this job again to re-install the 195F thermostat I just took out.
Can anyone else confirm that a computer controlled engine needs the 195F thermostat?
#68
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From: Grand Haven, Michigan
Year: 1998, 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Yes it does. I'd take the 180 degree one back, buy a Hayes manual for your Jeep, open it up and show that guy that recommended that 180 thermostat that the manual says 195.
That way he can credit you the cost of the 180 when he takes it back and put it towards the manual.
If you check your fuel mileage all the time you should notice it drop with the 180 thermostat.
That way he can credit you the cost of the 180 when he takes it back and put it towards the manual.
If you check your fuel mileage all the time you should notice it drop with the 180 thermostat.
#69
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From: Tenn. and Mich.
Year: 2004
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.7L V8
Thanks Mike, Great point! If more people didn't take the word of the counter-person at the auto parts store over their manuals, they and their Jeeps would be better off.
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From: Grand Haven, Michigan
Year: 1998, 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Thanks Old Blue...
OK...
Before you take that water pump off try this test per the Haynes Repair Manual. Chapter 3.
"With engine up to temp squeeze the upper radiator hose. If the pump is working properly you should feel a pressure surge as the hose is released".
Another point they make in the manual is "before assuming the thermostat is to blame for a cooling system problem, check the coolant level, drivebelt tension and temperature gage operation".
At normal operating temp check the upper radiator hose. It should be hot. If it is not the thermostat is stuck closed.
The Hayes Manual costs around $20 dollars or so.
OK...
Before you take that water pump off try this test per the Haynes Repair Manual. Chapter 3.
"With engine up to temp squeeze the upper radiator hose. If the pump is working properly you should feel a pressure surge as the hose is released".
Another point they make in the manual is "before assuming the thermostat is to blame for a cooling system problem, check the coolant level, drivebelt tension and temperature gage operation".
At normal operating temp check the upper radiator hose. It should be hot. If it is not the thermostat is stuck closed.
The Hayes Manual costs around $20 dollars or so.
#71
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Year: 1986
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.3L with headers and full 3" exhaust system
There is one thing you guys have not really checked. The radiator. I know it has been flushed. However it can become clogged with mineral deposits and rust badly enough flushing won't get it. The other thing is the air that was mentioned. The other possibility which is more likely is that the head gasket is bad. It doesn't have to leak out the outside to be bad. It is the internal leakage of exhaust gasses into the water jacket that is more common, and this will cause it to heat up quickly.
#72
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From: Grand Haven, Michigan
Year: 1998, 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
There is one thing you guys have not really checked. The radiator. I know it has been flushed. However it can become clogged with mineral deposits and rust badly enough flushing won't get it. The other thing is the air that was mentioned. The other possibility which is more likely is that the head gasket is bad. It doesn't have to leak out the outside to be bad. It is the internal leakage of exhaust gasses into the water jacket that is more common, and this will cause it to heat up quickly.
#73
preach it brother the parst guy might be a smart guy but with the shear volume of stuff they see every day it is hard for them to give a good suggestion that works for your car they are just giving generalized info that works for most
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From: Tenn. and Mich.
Year: 2004
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.7L V8
I'm not preaching, just stating fact. How many times have you been given the wrong part? I always know what I want and/or take the old part with me for comparison because a lot of those parts people are non-automotive minded button-pushers who don't know a needle bearing from a ball bearing. A manual is a cheap, vital source of information for those who wish to save money by doing some of the repairs on their vehicles themselves. But you have to use the info it contains in the spec charts as well.