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Old 05-16-2013, 08:36 PM
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And if it truly is broken, no harm breaking it more.
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^^^ I'll try again tomorrow. Hope it actually works. Matches my interior and its the first old body style one I've seen in person.
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^^^ I'll try again tomorrow. Hope it actually works. Matches my interior and its the first old body style one I've seen in person.
Btw, PICTURES. NOW.
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Im using the Torque app. It shows my upstream O2 is going from .7ish volts to .1ish and back again. It goes up and down like that alot. Bad sensor? The downstream seems to stay around .8ish iirc.
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Originally Posted by Eagle564
Im using the Torque app. It shows my upstream O2 is going from .7ish volts to .1ish and back again. It goes up and down like that alot. Bad sensor? The downstream seems to stay around .8ish iirc.
An O2 sensor that is switching is functioning. One that is not, is not functioning.
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Originally Posted by cruiser54
An O2 sensor that is switching is functioning. One that is not, is not functioning.
Seriously? I was really hoping that would explain my 5-6mpg... i was at 11mpg stock, and it went to half that after the lift and tires.
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Uhhhh well your downstream O2 is definitely not working. It sounds like you have a lot of work to do (fixing your MAP probably included)
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Originally Posted by salad
Uhhhh well your downstream O2 is definitely not working. It sounds like you have a lot of work to do (fixing your MAP probably included)
So replace downstream? Then how would i fix the MAP? Wouldnt i just replace it?

Edit: ill post a couple screenshots of the sensor activity in a bit whe i get home just to clarify and show what theyre doing.

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The first pic shows the 2 sensors voltage while at idle and operating Temp while parked.
The second pic is after I revved to about 1500 rpms for a couple of seconds.
The third pic is under normal driving conditions around 30mph
My intake manifold pressure was around 37-40 kPa at idle and my MAF rate wasn't showing up. Idk if thats the app malfunctioning or the sensor.
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Not sure on what the switching rate should be exactly. Basically the sensors bounce between "Rich" and "Lean". In OBD2 Jeeps, the downstream O2 sensor is used in calculating the fuel trim in closed loop modes.

The MAP is dependent on getting good vacuum from the intake manifold. I think in 1996 they still put it on the firewall. The little hose from it to the manifold is brittle and a common failure, resulting in a ton of fuel being used.
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Originally Posted by salad
Not sure on what the switching rate should be exactly. Basically the sensors bounce between "Rich" and "Lean". In OBD2 Jeeps, the downstream O2 sensor is used in calculating the fuel trim in closed loop modes.

The MAP is dependent on getting good vacuum from the intake manifold. I think in 1996 they still put it on the firewall. The little hose from it to the manifold is brittle and a common failure, resulting in a ton of fuel being used.
To the manifold? Or to the throttle body?
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Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
To the manifold? Or to the throttle body?
However your old-*** Jeeps do it lol. On 97+ the MAP is bolted to the throttle body, I can't remember where the vacuum tube goes on older models
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I got a bunch 0f 3/16 plate sitting around and i want to build a new front winch bumper

Question is can i build the whole thing out of 3/16 or will i need thicker steal for the mounts to the unibody?

Ive always used 3/8 for the frame mount but i here some guys are using 3/16 or 1/4 plate
Whats your opinions ?

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Originally Posted by salad

However your old-*** Jeeps do it lol. On 97+ the MAP is bolted to the throttle body, I can't remember where the vacuum tube goes on older models
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