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Old 05-26-2014, 08:02 PM
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Well, I think I ran into my first major problem, and I don't think I am going to like this one. My wife and I drove the XJ up North about 100 miles to her parents for the weekend. When we got out after the ride up there, I noticed my coolant was boiling. The engine temp was fine the whole way up. (When we got off the freeway, I did notice that it went to the next notch after 210 but the fan was on and it went back down quickly.)
Well, after the drive home, when I got off the freeway, it sat idle at the light and the temp rose again, but this time it suddenly jumped all the way up and the "check gauges" light came on. I pulled it into a parking lot and popped the hood. The coolant was boiling again and the engine bay seemed extremely hot. We were only a few miles from home so I let it sit for about 10 mins and then started it up, it started poorly and didn't idle very well for a minute, but then it evened out. On the way home it drove fine and the temp was just a tick over 210.
The oil pressure sat at around 50 most of the way home as well.

My first guess is that it needs a new head gasket. I am really hoping the head isn't cracked.

What do you guys think? Thanks.
Can you elaborate on "coolant boiling"? How exactly did you determine this? It should never actually boil, even when overheating.

Is this XJ new to you? I'm curious about its maintenance history.
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Originally Posted by dirtyjerz
try replacing the thermostat first sounds like yours might be getting stuck "closed". xjs typically run hot mine normally runs around 210 or a lil over in traffic or on the highway. As long as it doesn't boil over you should be fine. did it ever go into the red?

Thanks I'll try that. It never went into the red, it just kicked all the way up when the check gauges light came on. I've heard it does this to alert people who don't watch gauges.
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Can you elaborate on "coolant boiling"? How exactly did you determine this? It should never actually boil, even when overheating.

Is this XJ new to you? I'm curious about its maintenance history.
After hot, the coolant boils inside the reservoir, but doesn't boil out.
I have had it for a few months. It has 200k on the engine. There wasn't much paperwork from major repairs, just small stuff (ie tires, batt, AC, brakes, oil changes). I had the serp belt, and pinion seal done when purchased per suggestion by the mechanic who performed the used car inspection. I don't think it was driven much in the last two years. It was the personal car of a dealer. He picked it up in NY (no rust) when he was picking up some Subarus (which is what he sells exclusively) because it was in great shape and he got a deal. He hoped to give it to one of his kids but they didn't like the rough ride, so he sold it. He had his shop do anything he would normally do to prep a car for sale, but this was 2 years ago.
Recently I also had the transfer case gasket and oil pan done. Everything has been done at first sign because I wanted to get it into really good reliable shape before I did anything 'after-market' to it, but little things keep popping up, haha. It has run really well for me. This is the first sign of a real problem. Everything prior has been nitpicking.
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Originally Posted by loganzillmer
After hot, the coolant boils inside the reservoir, but doesn't boil out.
Okay. That is normal for when super hot coolant gets into the reservoir - rather when it gets back to atmospheric pressure.

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I have had it for a few months. It has 200k on the engine. There wasn't much paperwork from major repairs, just small stuff (ie tires, batt, AC, brakes, oil changes). I had the serp belt, and pinion seal done when purchased per suggestion by the mechanic who performed the used car inspection. I don't think it was driven much in the last two years. It was the personal car of a dealer. He picked it up in NY (no rust) when he was picking up some Subarus (which is what he sells exclusively) because it was in great shape and he got a deal. He hoped to give it to one of his kids but they didn't like the rough ride, so he sold it. He had his shop do anything he would normally do to prep a car for sale, but this was 2 years ago.
Recently I also had the transfer case gasket and oil pan done. Everything has been done at first sign because I wanted to get it into really good reliable shape before I did anything 'after-market' to it, but little things keep popping up, haha. It has run really well for me. This is the first sign of a real problem. Everything prior has been nitpicking.
Well, cooling system maintenance on 2000 and 2001 models is EXTREMELY important. Not sure if you've learned about the casting defect on these years but if you keep doing that you can expect a cracked head.

Based on what you've written, it's likely overdue for an overhaul. Basic stuff first:
- Total flush of cooling system until water runs clear. Block, radiator, and heater core should be flushed forwards and backwards.
- Check old coolant for oil contamination
- Good idea to do an oil change at the same time, check it for coolant contamination
- New Mopar 195 degree thermostat
- New water pump
- New fan clutch
- Verify that fan shrouds are in place

There is no such thing as wasted money on cooling system maintenance. Especially on an '00/'01. If you want some horror stories look up "0331 head crack".

So far nothing you've posted raises any flags other than your model year. Catch up on maintenance and let us know!
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Hi.

So second question in less than a week. I've had my 93 Cherokee for a couple of weeks and it has started fine every time up until today.

Today I drove down to shops and when I got back in to start it up it didn't turn over. It didn't even make a noise. I tried a few more times, nothing. The ABS light would come on again when I tried to start it.

Out of the 8 attempts to start it there were maybe 2 were it turned over a bit. The other times it was totally silent, not even the solenoids.

I then moved the car out of park and back in, the tried it and it started straight away.

Any idea what is going on? Thanks in advance.
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Hi.

So second question in less than a week. I've had my 93 Cherokee for a couple of weeks and it has started fine every time up until today.

Today I drove down to shops and when I got back in to start it up it didn't turn over. It didn't even make a noise. I tried a few more times, nothing. The ABS light would come on again when I tried to start it.

Out of the 8 attempts to start it there were maybe 2 were it turned over a bit. The other times it was totally silent, not even the solenoids.

I then moved the car out of park and back in, the tried it and it started straight away.

Any idea what is going on? Thanks in advance.
It sounds like the nuetral safety switch needs to be cleaned. Google "Cherokee NSS cleaning" and there is a write up on it.
Crank positioning sensor also can cause a no start or crank I believe. But im 99% sure its your nss.
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Awesome, thanks for your help. I will give that a go. Just saw on another forum that it could be the ignition switch as well.
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Originally Posted by salad
Okay. That is normal for when super hot coolant gets into the reservoir - rather when it gets back to atmospheric pressure.



Well, cooling system maintenance on 2000 and 2001 models is EXTREMELY important. Not sure if you've learned about the casting defect on these years but if you keep doing that you can expect a cracked head.

Based on what you've written, it's likely overdue for an overhaul. Basic stuff first:
- Total flush of cooling system until water runs clear. Block, radiator, and heater core should be flushed forwards and backwards.
- Check old coolant for oil contamination
- Good idea to do an oil change at the same time, check it for coolant contamination
- New Mopar 195 degree thermostat
- New water pump
- New fan clutch
- Verify that fan shrouds are in place

There is no such thing as wasted money on cooling system maintenance. Especially on an '00/'01. If you want some horror stories look up "0331 head crack".

So far nothing you've posted raises any flags other than your model year. Catch up on maintenance and let us know!
Thank you for that detailed response. Should be a big help. I do know all about the 0331 head issue, I read a lot of horror stories when I was researching XJs before I bought mine. I forgot to add I had the coolant system flushed and had the oil checked for coolant and that didn't raise any flags.
The coolant is dirty again though.
I will get started on the list, doing thermostat today.
Thanks again.
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Has anyone here ever used Freeze 12/ES-12 in their R-12 ac system? My 91 has no working ac and I've been wanting to fix.
Also, how common are ac evap coil leaks?
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Has anyone here ever used Freeze 12/ES-12 in their R-12 ac system? My 91 has no working ac and I've been wanting to fix.
Also, how common are ac evap coil leaks?
They arent too common but they happen. I have read about a few guys us in the freeze 12 with great results. Most common leaks are the o rings at each fitting.
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Iv searched google for multiple sites and cant find exactly what im looking for, Id like to find a write up or list of "4-port injectors" for a 88 RENIX jeep. I know 703s, but I want to find a vehicle list and years of the vehicles. I may just buy new ones from one of those vehicles listed through rock auto if I cant find any at junk yard.

Does anyone have a link to a vehicle and year list for the injectors?
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Iv searched google for multiple sites and cant find exactly what im looking for, Id like to find a write up or list of "4-port injectors" for a 88 RENIX jeep. I know 703s, but I want to find a vehicle list and years of the vehicles. I may just buy new ones from one of those vehicles listed through rock auto if I cant find any at junk yard.

Does anyone have a link to a vehicle and year list for the injectors?
746 injectors is what people round here use in our renix jeeps.
Dflintstone is the man who found those to be a great injector for renix era jeeps.
I'm running them now
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746 injectors is what people round here use in our renix jeeps.
Dflintstone is the man who found those to be a great injector for renix era jeeps.
I'm running them now
Best I've ever used for both power and economy.
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Best I've ever used for both power and economy.
Is there a vehicle list that the 746's come off?

My local pick n pull wants $10/ injector.
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Originally Posted by salad
Okay. That is normal for when super hot coolant gets into the reservoir - rather when it gets back to atmospheric pressure.



Well, cooling system maintenance on 2000 and 2001 models is EXTREMELY important. Not sure if you've learned about the casting defect on these years but if you keep doing that you can expect a cracked head.

Based on what you've written, it's likely overdue for an overhaul. Basic stuff first:
- Total flush of cooling system until water runs clear. Block, radiator, and heater core should be flushed forwards and backwards.
- Check old coolant for oil contamination
- Good idea to do an oil change at the same time, check it for coolant contamination
- New Mopar 195 degree thermostat
- New water pump
- New fan clutch
- Verify that fan shrouds are in place

There is no such thing as wasted money on cooling system maintenance. Especially on an '00/'01. If you want some horror stories look up "0331 head crack".

So far nothing you've posted raises any flags other than your model year. Catch up on maintenance and let us know!
It's looking more and more like I just needed to do what you listed here. I bought all the parts and got as far as pulling out the thermostat before I left for work today, and it is definitely part of the problem. Also, I believe my fan clutch is bad (based on 'how-to check" I found online), so that should help too.

My coolant is dirty as hell all throughout the system, so a flush is definitely in order. I have never done this before. Anything to look out for while flushing? Anything not to do?

Thanks for your help. I should be able to finish it after work tomorrow. I'll let you know how it goes.
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