Stock XJ Cherokee Tech. All XJ Non-modified/stock questions go here XJ (84-01)
All OEM related XJ specific tech. Examples, no start, general maintenance or anything that's stock.
Old 09-21-2015, 03:49 PM
How-Tos on this Topic
Last edit by: IB Advertising
See related guides and technical advice from our community experts:

Browse all: General Overview
Print Wikipost

XJ Ask the Question Thread

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-19-2015, 12:44 PM
  #49786  
Junior Member
 
Brennidon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 96
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Model: Cherokee
Default

Well I'm back and this time I've found a few random wires and hoses that arent connected to anything. I'm not sure if they need to be connected or what they go to anyone have any ideas as to what they are?

First up is this guy. A 4 prong connector it runs in the main wire loom where the IAC wires run.
Name:  4%20prong%20wire_zps3irhvsqd.jpg
Views: 49
Size:  67.0 KB
Name:  4%20prong%20wire2_zpsttnedeci.jpg
Views: 29
Size:  131.0 KB
I looked around and didnt see any other 4 prong connectors anywhere.

Next up is this wierd looking guy
Name:  blue%20wire2_zpsas6n6pzu.jpg
Views: 37
Size:  88.9 KB
Name:  blue%20wire_zpse0luuwsd.jpg
Views: 47
Size:  50.7 KB
Its sitting right below the coolant overflow bottle. Used MS paint to show where it runs through the wire loom.

Next are these two. They are near the overflow bottle also. The bigger hose looks like it might connect to the thing in the picture above? It plugs in fine but not sure if they go together. Tried following them through the wire loom but it runs by the passenger inner fender down by the battery and out twards the radiator

The smaller wire/hose looks like the end of it was broken off.

The last one is in a wire loom on the firewall and it runs to the fuse box by the battery. I didnt see any other connectors that could go with it so I am stumped.
Name:  random%20connector_zpsq5p4dubc.jpg
Views: 32
Size:  90.4 KB

If these are all supposed to be connected to something I'm surprised the jeep runs at all. Sorry for the long post but I didnt want to make a random thread for wires.

Edit: The 4 prong connector actually doesnt go to the IAC I was mistaken. It does run through the big wire loom that the IAC wires go through though.

Last edited by Brennidon; 05-19-2015 at 02:38 PM.
Brennidon is offline  
Old 05-19-2015, 12:57 PM
  #49787  
kgm
CF Veteran
 
kgm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Denver
Posts: 1,589
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Year: 99
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Well my passenger side power window finally ate ****. And it fell down when that happened.

How hard is it to replace the entire door? Do you just take out those few Torx bits, and unhook all the power leads? Lock will be different but who cares.
kgm is offline  
Old 05-19-2015, 01:06 PM
  #49788  
Member
 
mudshark99's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: New Harmony UT
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6 Power Tech
Default

Originally Posted by salad
Have you considered shackle relocation brackets? There are a lot of ways to add height in the back. What's your current shackle angle?
Would a no-lift bracket allow me the ability to move the mourning point forward thus increasing the arc of the leafs? (Just trying to understand the benefits.) As for the angle...they are practically 90 degrees vertical.


Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
What brand and type of lift do you currently have installed?
It is a Rough Country 3" lift with AAL. Does the brand make a difference?
mudshark99 is offline  
Old 05-19-2015, 01:48 PM
  #49789  
Herp Derp Jerp
 
salad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Parham, ON
Posts: 18,251
Likes: 0
Received 13 Likes on 12 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L OBD-II
Default

Originally Posted by mudshark99
It is a Rough Country 3" lift with AAL. Does the brand make a difference?
Somewhat, but the AAL part does. As a fellow RC 3" AAL owner, you have my sympathies.

Sorry dude.

Originally Posted by mudshark99
Would a no-lift bracket allow me the ability to move the mourning point forward thus increasing the arc of the leafs? (Just trying to understand the benefits.) As for the angle...they are practically 90 degrees vertical.
Nope. The depression of the spring packs' arc is caused by how much weight you've got resting on them. Either the spring rate needs to be increased or weight removed if you want to change that.

A standard shackle relocation bracket will give you additional lift as well as let you move your shackle mounting point forward to correct that vertical angle.

Now. All this said, your spring will continue to sag. This I can guarantee. You also stand a small chance of the factory leaves actually snapping due to the amount of tension on them (they were already fatigued when the AAL was added, then you added a heavy bumper, and presumably you want to beat on this thing a bit, maybe even put stuff in the cargo area).

This would be a good time to buy new leaf springs if you can find the dough. If not, relocation brackets are a solid investment.
salad is offline  
Old 05-19-2015, 03:20 PM
  #49790  
Member
 
mudshark99's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: New Harmony UT
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6 Power Tech
Default

Originally Posted by salad

This would be a good time to buy new leaf springs if you can find the dough. If not, relocation brackets are a solid investment.
I'm shying away from relocation brackets simply because I think the leafs will remain flat or worse over time. I'm not adverse to spending some money on the right leaf springs. The question now is, which are the right leaf springs? Since I'm planning to keep the bumper/carrier and put stuff in the rear AND beat it a bit I was thinking of erring on the side of caution and getting 3.5" or 4.5" leaf packs. Any thoughts on this?

And thanks salad. Your logic and discussion is good as always.
mudshark99 is offline  
Old 05-19-2015, 03:26 PM
  #49791  
Moderator of Jeeps
 
NewKindOfClown's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Frederick, MD from Cleveland, OH
Posts: 21,029
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Year: 1993 YJ Wrangler
Engine: 4.0 I6
Default

Originally Posted by mudshark99
I'm shying away from relocation brackets simply because I think the leafs will remain flat or worse over time. I'm not adverse to spending some money on the right leaf springs. The question now is, which are the right leaf springs? Since I'm planning to keep the bumper/carrier and put stuff in the rear AND beat it a bit I was thinking of erring on the side of caution and getting 3.5" or 4.5" leaf packs. Any thoughts on this?

And thanks salad. Your logic and discussion is good as always.
3.5" Rubicon Express full leaf packs. They generally sit higher than advertised, and that's good news if you're carrying extra weight. But relocation brackets will still likely benefit you in conjunction with proper leafs.
NewKindOfClown is offline  
Old 05-19-2015, 04:07 PM
  #49792  
Member
 
mudshark99's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: New Harmony UT
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6 Power Tech
Default

Originally Posted by NewKindOfClown
3.5" Rubicon Express full leaf packs. They generally sit higher than advertised, and that's good news if you're carrying extra weight. But relocation brackets will still likely benefit you in conjunction with proper leafs.
Thanks for the recommendation. I guess I just needed someone else to confirm what I already suspected. I just ordered 3.5" leaf springs and new U-bolts.
mudshark99 is offline  
Old 05-19-2015, 08:42 PM
  #49793  
CF Veteran
 
XJwonders's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: west chester, pa
Posts: 19,216
Likes: 0
Received 40 Likes on 36 Posts
Year: 1999
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by mudshark99
Thanks for the recommendation. I guess I just needed someone else to confirm what I already suspected. I just ordered 3.5" leaf springs and new U-bolts.
the relocation brackets help with smoother and better quality of ride on the road too.
XJwonders is offline  
Old 05-20-2015, 06:03 AM
  #49794  
No, I don't lick fish.
 
Basslicks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Northern Kentucky
Posts: 11,167
Received 21 Likes on 20 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by kgm
Well my passenger side power window finally ate ****. And it fell down when that happened.

How hard is it to replace the entire door? Do you just take out those few Torx bits, and unhook all the power leads? Lock will be different but who cares.
Yes, but were you planning on replacing the door to begin with or are you replacing the whole door to fix your window?
Basslicks is offline  
Old 05-20-2015, 08:44 AM
  #49795  
kgm
CF Veteran
 
kgm's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Denver
Posts: 1,589
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Year: 99
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by Basslicks
Yes, but were you planning on replacing the door to begin with or are you replacing the whole door to fix your window?
I already was, the rear view mirror is all banged up, door is dented & scratched.
kgm is offline  
Old 05-20-2015, 04:36 PM
  #49796  
No, I don't lick fish.
 
Basslicks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Northern Kentucky
Posts: 11,167
Received 21 Likes on 20 Posts
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee (XJ)
Engine: 4.0
Default

Originally Posted by kgm
I already was, the rear view mirror is all banged up, door is dented & scratched.
Ok... just making sure. Yes, the doors are basically plug n play...

JP Magazine did a writeup on them a while back... basically the only difference will be the location of the door striker, but that's a pretty simple fix.

http://www.fourwheeler.com/how-to/bo...j-door-upgade/
Basslicks is offline  
Old 05-21-2015, 08:55 AM
  #49797  
Member
 
mudshark99's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
Location: New Harmony UT
Posts: 117
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L I6 Power Tech
Default

Originally Posted by mudshark99
Thanks for the recommendation. I guess I just needed someone else to confirm what I already suspected. I just ordered 3.5" leaf springs and new U-bolts.
Brought the leafs home last night. Soaked all attachment bolts with Liquid Wrench over night but these bolts are not budging. I'm searching the forums and YouTube but so far nothing that's really helpful. Anyone have a link to a good DIY for removing the leaf springs?
mudshark99 is offline  
Old 05-21-2015, 12:02 PM
  #49798  
Member
 
t88itsagpthing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 100
Received 41 Likes on 20 Posts
Year: 1988
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 -300000+ Mi.
Default

Originally Posted by mudshark99
Brought the leafs home last night. Soaked all attachment bolts with Liquid Wrench over night but these bolts are not budging. I'm searching the forums and YouTube but so far nothing that's really helpful. Anyone have a link to a good DIY for removing the leaf springs?
I would suggest buying a can of ZEP 45 penetrating fluid, it's the best in my opinion, I've used the others. It does have a strong smell and is some what expensive, my experience was when I had a bicycle repair shop, a bike came in with the chain frozen solid, after taking it off the bike I was able to literally stand it up against the wall. I sprayed it well and left it over night, the next morning it was completely unfrozen, the customer was happy he didn't have to pay for a new chain. You can find it on Amazon.
t88itsagpthing is offline  
Old 05-21-2015, 01:44 PM
  #49799  
Seasoned Member
 
indeepwithajeep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 280
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0L
Default

Here is an interesting finding on Penetrating Oils
Recently “Machinist Workshop Magazine” did a test on penetrating oils. Using nuts and
bolts that they ‘scientifically rusted’ to a uniform degree by soaking in salt water, they then
tested the break-out torque required to loosen the nuts. They treated the nuts with a variety
of penetrants and measured the torque required to loosen them.
This is what they came up with:
Nothing: 516 lbs
WD-40: 238 lbs;
PB Blaster: 214 lbs;
Liquid Wrench: 127 lbs,
Kano Kroil: 106 lbs
(ATF)/Acetone mix (50/50): 50 lbs.

This last “shop brew” of 50% automatic transmission fluid and 50% acetone appears to beat
out the commercially prepared products costing far more.
This info has been floating around for while...
I feel like the acetone just ate up the salt water corrosion best. However I don't think one oil vs another will be night and day difference. I used a breaker bar and deep well socket (3" extension on the front frame leaf bolts). A lot of people end up breaking the welded nut inside the uni-frame. Just give everything it time extra to soak. You can reach some of the welded nuts inside the frame rail by some access holes to get some penetrating oil on it. You might need to apply some heat (use common sense since it's soaked with oil). Break it free as you would like you're tapping new threading. Ease it out, and tightening it back in, and so fourth to keep the threads clean.

Last edited by indeepwithajeep; 05-21-2015 at 01:49 PM.
indeepwithajeep is offline  
Old 05-21-2015, 02:14 PM
  #49800  
Member
 
t88itsagpthing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Texas
Posts: 100
Received 41 Likes on 20 Posts
Year: 1988
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 -300000+ Mi.
Default

Originally Posted by indeepwithajeep
This info has been floating around for while...
I feel like the acetone just ate up the salt water corrosion best. However I don't think one oil vs another will be night and day difference. I used a breaker bar and deep well socket (3" extension on the front frame leaf bolts). A lot of people end up breaking the welded nut inside the uni-frame. Just give everything it time extra to soak. You can reach some of the welded nuts inside the frame rail by some access holes to get some penetrating oil on it. You might need to apply some heat (use common sense since it's soaked with oil). Break it free as you would like you're tapping new threading. Ease it out, and tightening it back in, and so fourth to keep the threads clean.
I have heard of (ATF)/Acetone mix (50/50): 50 lbs.v the question I have is how long does it take to work? My experience with the bike chain and the ZEP 45 was when I lived in Florida and the bike had been sitting outside for a long time. I'm going to try the ATF/Acitone the next time I have to deal with a rusted bolt to see how well it works.
t88itsagpthing is offline  


Quick Reply: XJ Ask the Question Thread



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:28 PM.