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Old 01-26-2018, 02:57 PM
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Well if you swapped your engine for a diesel that is set up to run on vegetable oil, then you could put Rotella in it and nobody would have any problem with it.
Oh man... here we go again... lol

In that case you really should use a vegetable based engine oil too. Castor oil would be the best for keeping things loosened up and moving freely.
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Oh man... here we go again... lol

In that case you really should use a vegetable based engine oil too. Castor oil would be the best for keeping things loosened up and moving freely.
Love the smell of some Castor oil in a 2-smoker
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Oh man... here we go again... lol

In that case you really should use a vegetable based engine oil too. Castor oil would be the best for keeping things loosened up and moving freely.
You're being facetious, right?

I was thinking of a few years ago (around when gas was $4/gallon) and there was a lot of talk about converting vegetable oil to use as a diesel fuel and it worked great but your exhaust would smell like French fries. If I'm not mistaken vegetable oil derived fuel is mixed in home heating oil under the moniker "bio-heat" or something like that.
I for one am so poor tough that on more than one occasion have had grab 5gal of diesel to restart my furnace after running out of oil.
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If you use Rotella in your fryer, wouldn't that make cleanup easier? I mean, I hear that detergents displace ZDDP....
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Originally Posted by PatHenry
You're being facetious, right?

I was thinking of a few years ago (around when gas was $4/gallon) and there was a lot of talk about converting vegetable oil to use as a diesel fuel and it worked great but your exhaust would smell like French fries. If I'm not mistaken vegetable oil derived fuel is mixed in home heating oil under the moniker "bio-heat" or something like that.
I for one am so poor tough that on more than one occasion have had grab 5gal of diesel to restart my furnace after running out of oil.
Yes I was But seriously there is potential in biofuels, but they have their draw backs. The diesel engine was actually invented and designed to burn peanut oil. The ironic thing about this is it was invented in Germany where it gets pretty cold. Well vegetable oil turns to a solid when it gets cool. Except for this problem it would be just fine for a fuel. And it has been played with for quite awhile now but it has to be heated to keep or return it in a liquid state. This is why they have to start an engine running on vegetable oil with diesel first, use it to heat the vegetable oil back to a liquid, and then switch it over from the diesel to the veggie oil. So once everything was all warmed up it works fine until it is shut off and needs to be all warmed up again.

But in your furnace situation... you could do this just fine if you built a tank for the veggie oil that had a built in heating coil to heat the veggie oil and keep it warm. Once started it would run on it until the furnace, which would be your heat source for the tank heater went out. There is actually quite a few folks doing this using reclaimed and filtered restaurant waste oil. But the cost of rounding up, transporting, and time to filter the oil almost equals the savings. But it sure would be a nice back up for those lean times when furnace fuel oil is hard to get because of limited supply!
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Love the smell of some Castor oil in a 2-smoker
Lol... My friend Diesel Dave used to run almond oil in one of the several diesel motorcycles he built. That smelled fantastic!

This is it with a two cylinder shaft drive Ruggerini. He adapted it to a Honda shaft drive trans, frame, and running gear. Where's the fuel tank? It is a one gallon side mount on the other side like a saddle bag. Range? 120 miles on a gallon. Fun bike!

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That's INSANE!!! still rocking them drum brakes too!
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That's INSANE!!! still rocking them drum brakes too!
That shaft drive unit and rear end was actually from a newer bike shoved into an older frame. He does some great fabrication and builds some nice bikes.

The one he is working on now will be a turbo charged 3 cylinder diesel. That should be fun... lol

Dave has been at this for a long time. He built one of the first supercharged Harley Davidsons.
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But it sure would be a nice back up for those lean times when furnace fuel oil is hard to get because of limited supply
The limited supply is the contents of my wallet. Around here it's a 100gal minimum, so even with prices at moderate levels it's still a couple hundred for the minimal delivery.
My finances have been better in the last couple years, so typically these days if I have to grab some diesel for heat it's just so I can have hot water (as it's a single integrated unit) until the oil delivery can be made.
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What does Cruiser say about Zinc levels and/or what oil to run in your stock 4.0?
First off, I'm flattered that someone stalked my profile. Secondly, I assure you that he could care less about what oil anyone runs. Lol
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The limited supply is the contents of my wallet. Around here it's a 100gal minimum, so even with prices at moderate levels it's still a couple hundred for the minimal delivery.
My finances have been better in the last couple years, so typically these days if I have to grab some diesel for heat it's just so I can have hot water (as it's a single integrated unit) until the oil delivery can be made.
I kind of figured that was the situation. You could probably run veggie oil if you can find a very cheap source. The problem with waste restaurant oil is that once it has been heated like that it gels easier and won't stay as a liquid at room temp or below, it has to be heated back to a liquid and kept warm in that state to be used.
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Originally Posted by PatHenry
Well if you swapped your engine for a diesel that is set up to run on vegetable oil, then you could put Rotella in it and nobody would have any problem with it.
but then for anyone behind you on the road... smells like 3 day old greasy french fries... lol
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Originally Posted by Bugout4x4
That shaft drive unit and rear end was actually from a newer bike shoved into an older frame. He does some great fabrication and builds some nice bikes.

The one he is working on now will be a turbo charged 3 cylinder diesel. That should be fun... lol

Dave has been at this for a long time. He built one of the first supercharged Harley Davidsons.
my first thought on the trans housing was that it reminded me of the limited run back in the 70s for the rotary plant they tried in bikes.
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my first thought on the trans housing was that it reminded me of the limited run back in the 70s for the rotary plant they tried in bikes.
It's out of a Goldwing. The first one he put together was a chain drive with a custom made centrifugal clutch and that same engine sitting sideways, then he decided to make it a shaft drive with a transmission because I think it had overdrive which of course was an advantage with the lower RPM diesel. But It was fun with the centrifugal clutch... Just hit the throttle and you were gone! It was actually pretty fast!

Here is the first bike with the same engine...

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First off, I'm flattered that someone stalked my profile. Secondly, I assure you that he could care less about what oil anyone runs. Lol
I will second this. We've had talkies over this LOL


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