grand cherokee fuel pump issue?
06-13-2016, 11:14 AM
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You might actually end up replacing the pcm. Junkyard have one you can put in, just to see?
06-13-2016, 02:55 PM
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Year: 1996
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.0l 6 cylinder
can't seem to find a spacer for the crankshaft position sensor locally.
autozone don't have one listed at all.
the dealer wanted 25.99 for a spacer
god had i spent the 166 for the sensor and that
i hate that dealer they are rip off artists
they once told me on the old jeep there was no recall for the tanks even though i was holding the jeeps recall notice sent to me in my hand.
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...5535&ppt=C2177
thats what i found locally but my understanding is the spacer gets destroyed the first time you start your vehicle.
those are made of steel according to the description and comes with a lifetime warranty.
can someone verify these are the correct ones i would want?
I don't think any video i watched mentioned about the spacers.
also for accessing it via the dash from the video i saw it appears you have to take a lot of the dash apart to get it. if thats the case i think it would be easier to have the vehicle up on ramps and get it from beneath.
it also appears my clip for it is on the passenger side of the engine not up by the fuel rail.
ryan
autozone don't have one listed at all.
the dealer wanted 25.99 for a spacer
god had i spent the 166 for the sensor and that
i hate that dealer they are rip off artists
they once told me on the old jeep there was no recall for the tanks even though i was holding the jeeps recall notice sent to me in my hand.
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...5535&ppt=C2177
thats what i found locally but my understanding is the spacer gets destroyed the first time you start your vehicle.
those are made of steel according to the description and comes with a lifetime warranty.
can someone verify these are the correct ones i would want?
I don't think any video i watched mentioned about the spacers.
also for accessing it via the dash from the video i saw it appears you have to take a lot of the dash apart to get it. if thats the case i think it would be easier to have the vehicle up on ramps and get it from beneath.
it also appears my clip for it is on the passenger side of the engine not up by the fuel rail.
ryan
06-13-2016, 02:59 PM
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can't seem to find a spacer for the crankshaft position sensor locally.
autozone don't have one listed at all.
the dealer wanted 25.99 for a spacer
god had i spent the 166 for the sensor and that
i hate that dealer they are rip off artists
they once told me on the old jeep there was no recall for the tanks even though i was holding the jeeps recall notice sent to me in my hand.
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...5535&ppt=C2177
thats what i found locally but my understanding is the spacer gets destroyed the first time you start your vehicle.
those are made of steel according to the description and comes with a lifetime warranty.
can someone verify these are the correct ones i would want?
I don't think any video i watched mentioned about the spacers.
also for accessing it via the dash from the video i saw it appears you have to take a lot of the dash apart to get it. if thats the case i think it would be easier to have the vehicle up on ramps and get it from beneath.
it also appears my clip for it is on the passenger side of the engine not up by the fuel rail.
ryan
autozone don't have one listed at all.
the dealer wanted 25.99 for a spacer
god had i spent the 166 for the sensor and that
i hate that dealer they are rip off artists
they once told me on the old jeep there was no recall for the tanks even though i was holding the jeeps recall notice sent to me in my hand.
http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...5535&ppt=C2177
thats what i found locally but my understanding is the spacer gets destroyed the first time you start your vehicle.
those are made of steel according to the description and comes with a lifetime warranty.
can someone verify these are the correct ones i would want?
I don't think any video i watched mentioned about the spacers.
also for accessing it via the dash from the video i saw it appears you have to take a lot of the dash apart to get it. if thats the case i think it would be easier to have the vehicle up on ramps and get it from beneath.
it also appears my clip for it is on the passenger side of the engine not up by the fuel rail.
ryan
06-13-2016, 05:38 PM
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Year: 1996
Model: Grand Cherokee
Engine: 4.0l 6 cylinder
yes I ordered a crankshaft position sensor
this is what i ordered: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
it didn't come with one I've checked the sensor itself as i thought perhaps it was already on it and its not.
one of the reviews on amazon said his didn't come with a spacer either.
when looking it sounded like if you got one or not was completely random.
Ryan
this is what i ordered: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
it didn't come with one I've checked the sensor itself as i thought perhaps it was already on it and its not.
one of the reviews on amazon said his didn't come with a spacer either.
when looking it sounded like if you got one or not was completely random.
Ryan
06-13-2016, 06:04 PM
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The spacer should be made of paper. If it's made of steel, it'll destroy or mask the magnetic field. I think the connector is on the back side of the engine near the fuel rail.
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06-13-2016, 07:22 PM
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hello guys,
I guess I could check out the part place locally see if its actually steel or paper. I just can't understand a lifetime warranty on something thats paper and if i am correct gets destroyed the first time you crank the engine.
I am trying to work on two vehicles at the same time while I have access to a third vehicle with no restrictions.
trying to get everything needed for the jeep repair but the van likely will be the easier repair to get done so I am starting on it too but I have to order parts for it as well but its repairs are minor so to speak.
have the van partially torn apart, but that same fan shroud screws me up every time. they say you can just drop it but it can't fall down there's to many hoses and such in the way and you can't really take it up from the top due to the ac lines(although my ac is dry so thats not an issue but for some reason my line will not loosen and I know i didn't put it on real tight last time).
as you may know I can only work outside in the heat for short periods at a time which means my repairs often take longer than normal.
I guess I could check out the part place locally see if its actually steel or paper. I just can't understand a lifetime warranty on something thats paper and if i am correct gets destroyed the first time you crank the engine.
I am trying to work on two vehicles at the same time while I have access to a third vehicle with no restrictions.
trying to get everything needed for the jeep repair but the van likely will be the easier repair to get done so I am starting on it too but I have to order parts for it as well but its repairs are minor so to speak.
have the van partially torn apart, but that same fan shroud screws me up every time. they say you can just drop it but it can't fall down there's to many hoses and such in the way and you can't really take it up from the top due to the ac lines(although my ac is dry so thats not an issue but for some reason my line will not loosen and I know i didn't put it on real tight last time).
as you may know I can only work outside in the heat for short periods at a time which means my repairs often take longer than normal.
06-13-2016, 07:46 PM
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Year: 1996
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Engine: 4.0l 6 cylinder
here's my plan of attack,
tonight get the parts needed for my van ordered online or set up so i know what i need from the parts store tomorrow depending on price (money is at a low point besides the money for the vehicles i've lost 400 over the last two weeks from work).
tomorrow: get the engine coolant sensor replaced on the van (why you have to tear so much apart for this one little part is beyond me). good thing with the issues on the thermostat and thermo housing and water leaks (oh yeah that van leaked badly, every time one hose was fixed another one would bust) only hoses still left from when i bought it are the two long *** ones to the back of the vehicle each probably 15 feet long i would gather. So short story here is I at least know what all has to be removed and how to remove them. I wonder if i get the ac lines off should I bother even putting them back one, would the ac compressor be compromised with the lines off it (don't care about the other part i think the vans ac system is a lost cause between melted electrical parts and no freon, leaks i guess and then all the vacuum hoses to be fixed to get the ac to be changeable from the defrost to dash etc).
get new air filter on van and hose attached to air filter and engine, should be easy dog house is already off for the prior repairs.
wait for parts to come in or get them, think i have bearings going bad, one side has just old grease and virtually no cotter pin and the other side has old grease and new grease together and a new cotter pin judging from how long it is. Its hard to know for sure because its not a constant issue i think one or a few of the bearings have developed a flat spot used to run into that working on bikes (non motorized) and how its symptons are so close to my mothers escort who's bearings went out.
wed: finish up van if needed and get jeep up on ramps and chock the back wheels not sure what else if anything I'll do that day, depends on how tired i am (first day back to work always kills me due to scheduling changes now up all night instead of sleeping).
of course I'll be going into a long work week for me so really can't say what i'll get done but I should be able to get the rest of this done as I wait for parts and replies.
Jeep:
drivers seat reinstalled (replaced electric with non electric)
fuel filter
fuel relay
ac condensation line plug fixed
crankshaft position sensor as the spacer comes in or is bought.
later repairs that need to get done sooner or later:
dash light switch (although its not done its issue in a few months now its going bad)
drivers side door master switch see if that fixes the non locking automatic doors (sounds like it tries but nothing locks except for the rear hatch) also windows will cut out as well
wiper washer motors might be bad, can't get water to come out more than a dribble which don't even make it on the windshield.
radiator drain and refill (i thought i put coolant in it but it appears to be just water so better safe than sorry probably will get done with the current repairs)
Van
after what I am currently doing)
driver side door hinges
wire up ac system (needs done soon can't stand the heat while driving during the day), the plan is to wire a window unit in the back and hard wire a power inverter to the battery to power it when the vehicle is running
radiator drain and refill currently just running pure water in it, i think its been tested enough the leaks are done.
thats really it for the van besides possibly building a bed for sleeping in it when i need it.
my vehicles are:
primary: 1996 jeep grand cherokee 4l engine 138k almost
backup: 1997 dodge ram van b2500 5.2l v8 190k almost
backup backup: 2013 kia soul currently 38k miles and warranty for most items until 2023 or 100k
only respond to this if there is something you need or want to say, some times i just post so I can see and think about what i still have yet to do.
which reminds me i need to shave i look like santa clause and zz tops had a child. and the gray hairs in a red beard what the heck talking about making one feel old.
ryan
tonight get the parts needed for my van ordered online or set up so i know what i need from the parts store tomorrow depending on price (money is at a low point besides the money for the vehicles i've lost 400 over the last two weeks from work).
tomorrow: get the engine coolant sensor replaced on the van (why you have to tear so much apart for this one little part is beyond me). good thing with the issues on the thermostat and thermo housing and water leaks (oh yeah that van leaked badly, every time one hose was fixed another one would bust) only hoses still left from when i bought it are the two long *** ones to the back of the vehicle each probably 15 feet long i would gather. So short story here is I at least know what all has to be removed and how to remove them. I wonder if i get the ac lines off should I bother even putting them back one, would the ac compressor be compromised with the lines off it (don't care about the other part i think the vans ac system is a lost cause between melted electrical parts and no freon, leaks i guess and then all the vacuum hoses to be fixed to get the ac to be changeable from the defrost to dash etc).
get new air filter on van and hose attached to air filter and engine, should be easy dog house is already off for the prior repairs.
wait for parts to come in or get them, think i have bearings going bad, one side has just old grease and virtually no cotter pin and the other side has old grease and new grease together and a new cotter pin judging from how long it is. Its hard to know for sure because its not a constant issue i think one or a few of the bearings have developed a flat spot used to run into that working on bikes (non motorized) and how its symptons are so close to my mothers escort who's bearings went out.
wed: finish up van if needed and get jeep up on ramps and chock the back wheels not sure what else if anything I'll do that day, depends on how tired i am (first day back to work always kills me due to scheduling changes now up all night instead of sleeping).
of course I'll be going into a long work week for me so really can't say what i'll get done but I should be able to get the rest of this done as I wait for parts and replies.
Jeep:
drivers seat reinstalled (replaced electric with non electric)
fuel filter
fuel relay
ac condensation line plug fixed
crankshaft position sensor as the spacer comes in or is bought.
later repairs that need to get done sooner or later:
dash light switch (although its not done its issue in a few months now its going bad)
drivers side door master switch see if that fixes the non locking automatic doors (sounds like it tries but nothing locks except for the rear hatch) also windows will cut out as well
wiper washer motors might be bad, can't get water to come out more than a dribble which don't even make it on the windshield.
radiator drain and refill (i thought i put coolant in it but it appears to be just water so better safe than sorry probably will get done with the current repairs)
Van
after what I am currently doing)driver side door hinges
wire up ac system (needs done soon can't stand the heat while driving during the day), the plan is to wire a window unit in the back and hard wire a power inverter to the battery to power it when the vehicle is running
radiator drain and refill currently just running pure water in it, i think its been tested enough the leaks are done.
thats really it for the van besides possibly building a bed for sleeping in it when i need it.
my vehicles are:
primary: 1996 jeep grand cherokee 4l engine 138k almost
backup: 1997 dodge ram van b2500 5.2l v8 190k almost
backup backup: 2013 kia soul currently 38k miles and warranty for most items until 2023 or 100k
only respond to this if there is something you need or want to say, some times i just post so I can see and think about what i still have yet to do.
which reminds me i need to shave i look like santa clause and zz tops had a child. and the gray hairs in a red beard what the heck talking about making one feel old.
ryan
06-13-2016, 07:47 PM
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Actually, I think the lifetime warranty is a thing that applies to everything they sell.
06-13-2016, 07:58 PM
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yeah but i still need to find out if its paper or steel.
I do hope all this work fixes the jeep.
I do hope all this work fixes the jeep.
06-13-2016, 08:22 PM
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i know this is not anything to do with the jeep.
but on the van i am thinking I would be better off replacing everything for the wheels
rotor with hub assembly (this needed to fix what i think hte problem is)
new pads
new calipers 19 bucks each after core return
brake hose
brake hardware kit (might not be needed with other stuff not sure)
from a piece of mind standpoint i think this is the best course, if the problem still persists then its not what i thought it was but at least my vehicle has all new parts on that, since its a 2wd most of the braking power is in the front pads.
my delima is replacing all this will take 3/4 of the money i have available for repairs.
what do you all think i should do
do brake hoses really go bad if they was bad they'd leak right?
the reason I am thinking of this prior on my old jeep a mechanic replaced my rotors and pads for me but after doing so made bad noises it wasn't making prior. eventually after two sets of pads it was suggested i purchase the cheapest pair i could and see what happened, the noise was still there but very low and after a couple of days went away.
but on the van i am thinking I would be better off replacing everything for the wheels
rotor with hub assembly (this needed to fix what i think hte problem is)
new pads
new calipers 19 bucks each after core return
brake hose
brake hardware kit (might not be needed with other stuff not sure)
from a piece of mind standpoint i think this is the best course, if the problem still persists then its not what i thought it was but at least my vehicle has all new parts on that, since its a 2wd most of the braking power is in the front pads.
my delima is replacing all this will take 3/4 of the money i have available for repairs.
what do you all think i should do
do brake hoses really go bad if they was bad they'd leak right?
the reason I am thinking of this prior on my old jeep a mechanic replaced my rotors and pads for me but after doing so made bad noises it wasn't making prior. eventually after two sets of pads it was suggested i purchase the cheapest pair i could and see what happened, the noise was still there but very low and after a couple of days went away.
06-14-2016, 04:00 PM
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small update:
went to the one auto store they don't have them in stock regardless of what their system said online but have ordered one so tomorrow i'll get to check it out.
mopar replied back to me stating the sensor does not come with the spacer and i didn't need it but they have them cheap if i wanted to order one.
I also decided against all those other van repairs the parts look good so just going to replace the bearings on both sides save myself 250 in parts at least for now.
by the time i got up today it was almost 100degree's so no work got done.
ryan
went to the one auto store they don't have them in stock regardless of what their system said online but have ordered one so tomorrow i'll get to check it out.
mopar replied back to me stating the sensor does not come with the spacer and i didn't need it but they have them cheap if i wanted to order one.
I also decided against all those other van repairs the parts look good so just going to replace the bearings on both sides save myself 250 in parts at least for now.
by the time i got up today it was almost 100degree's so no work got done.
ryan
06-14-2016, 05:47 PM
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Well the curious thing I found out is the one for the automatic has a slotted hole in it, so you need the spacer,HOWEVER the one for the 5-speed has a round hole in it so a spacer is not needed. Can they make it anymore complicated? Answer, yes!
06-14-2016, 07:54 PM
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Apparently if they sell you the right one for your vehicle, and it has a round , not elongated hole like mine, you do not need a spacer. If however it has a rather egg shaped hole for the bolt, then you do need one. The round hole one will put the sensor in just the right place. Probably because the flywheel is difft with the manual.
06-15-2016, 03:25 PM
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well hopefully last update before work really starts to happen.
picked up the spacers today no option for just one something like 6 or so came in the package. most videos don't mention needing a spacer but other reviews for the jeep say to pick up a spacer if the sensor didn't come with one.
just curious how do you test the sensor to see if its good or bad? I have a mulitemeter but honestly don't really know how to use it very well and there was no instructions with it. how would i test for resistance or if its open what should the display be like? I know you use pins b and c but does it matter which cable goes in which?
now hopefully tomorrow i can start on the repairs of the vehicles and get the van up and running (it should be the easiest and quickest to do) then onto the jeep.
after I replace the crankshaft position sensor on the jeep is there any way to tell if the system is working right or is it to just wait for the jeep to die again?
and what causes a crankshaft sensor to go bad? old age? something else?
ryan
picked up the spacers today no option for just one something like 6 or so came in the package. most videos don't mention needing a spacer but other reviews for the jeep say to pick up a spacer if the sensor didn't come with one.
just curious how do you test the sensor to see if its good or bad? I have a mulitemeter but honestly don't really know how to use it very well and there was no instructions with it. how would i test for resistance or if its open what should the display be like? I know you use pins b and c but does it matter which cable goes in which?
now hopefully tomorrow i can start on the repairs of the vehicles and get the van up and running (it should be the easiest and quickest to do) then onto the jeep.
after I replace the crankshaft position sensor on the jeep is there any way to tell if the system is working right or is it to just wait for the jeep to die again?
and what causes a crankshaft sensor to go bad? old age? something else?
ryan