dave1123

Yeah....well, in that case, stick with your 97. After 98 everything gets very complicated.

rivman05

Id love to find a pcm with out the skim activated, and then just remove the immobiliser and have steel keys. No one is going to go anywhere 6 months of the year, and the other 6 months I have it outside my work window, or my bedroom window. Finding one tho used without the skim enabled is as rare as hens teeth it seems.

Bugout4x4

Oh I know full well... and it is getting beyond control when they insist your car does all your thinking for you. In this case the car is wrong because of engineering overkill.

Bugout4x4

This is yet another one of those cases where city mentality has imposed on back country realities. This system was designed with the city in mind. Where there is a gas station on every corner, 300 locksmiths, and 6 dealers in town in case this happens. You are now a victim of the "one size fits all" city mentality.

rivman05

Ok this whole thing is not over yet for me. I am in desperate need of trying to figure out how to get the pin code for my Jeep and a friends Dodge Ram. My key programmer will work if I can just figure out who/how to get the pins from. Honestly this whole damn thing is a bit ridiculous.

Bugout4x4

Yep... Like I say... Everything is now designed with city availability in mind where there is a parts house, locksmith, or dealer on every other corner. Being rural myself I feel your pain, because I run into stuff like this all the time that is geared for the city and not at all practical for remote areas or the rural lifestyle.

rivman05

No its not. Its almost worth it to buy a complete set from a boneyard else where and go through the trouble of having the vin burned into the new pcm. I see them once in a while advertised from wrecking yards near where I grew up in central Washington. Pcm, immobiliser, and both keys for 350 shipped.....at the moment its awfully damn tempting...

rivman05

Different idea, along the same sort tho, is there a way to take the repeater system from a remote start setup and instead of make it repeat the signal for just remote starting, make it repeat on key on-ignition on? Just a thought so I have more than 1 key. After loosing it in October, Ive been nervous as hell about loosing it again.

Bugout4x4

I seriously wish I knew more about this my friend. And please don't take this wrong, but I have to be honest and say I would rather have a horse and a buckboard before I would own a mode of transportation that could semi-permanently keep me from using it myself for any reason at all. Even if it is just a button combination security override so that it gives me back possession of the vehicle again for manual use until I can get the problem resolved.

I would rather have someone steal it than go through what you have been going through with this thing just so that it can belong to you and use it again. I realize it won't be long when all new cars are like this, but when it does, I won't be buying one. If it is still legal I will instead dump 20 grand in a classic before I buy a new one. At some point enough is enough with this crap, far too many things to break or go wrong.

What they did here was create a situation where you depend on third party services and permission to use what you think should be yours when you need it.

rivman05

I miss my 66 Plymouth Fury, 72 Riviera, 86 Bronco or my 95 Subaru Impreza Wagon....If I lost the keys, just remove the ignition switch, and go buy another....

Bugout4x4

Yep...Thank you for understanding the direction I was going. And here is the kicker... If they have this advanced technology capability it would very very easy for them to also protect you as the owner in the chance of a situation like this. Like bluetooth/smartphone app overide for example. And the security questions/answers on the app could be yours and yours alone.

They do it this way so that the finance institutions can lock you out if they decide they want to repossess the vehicle for non-payment. How much you want to bet whoever you financed it through has access to activate or deactivate that vehicle. I can tell you without a doubt for sure that law enforcement can. And no matter how secure they say that system is it can still be hacked.

So they are putting us between a rock and a hard place "for our own good" with some of this technology. The third party dependency and control bothers me the most about what has happened to you with this. I have learned a lot from your post here and it reaffirms my feelings.

rivman05

I own it out right, and as an 01 with 176k on the clock its not exactly a hot ticket item to wander off....And yes, and out here in Bush Alaska, I know of at least 9 other coworkers in the same f-ing situation, and prolly about 200 in the delta. At least tho if they can get the security pin I program keys for them...Mine is locked up like my connex where I run my ammo reloading equipment..

Bugout4x4

See that is just BS on the maker's part. Don't think for a minute that they didn't consider the possibility of this happening when they designed the system. They knew full well what they were doing and what everyone would have to go through to use their car again.

This is why I absolutely hate auto engineers. It is their job to create issues like this on purpose by design. It is sneaky underhanded deceptive business practice. The worst part is there are no consumer protections regulating this reality. The only time they will do anything is when it turns into a serious operation safety issue, and even then only after the human losses are great enough to gather attention.

In the mean time our brakes do work absolutely fantastic once we can finally get back in our car to use them...

rivman05

Our maintenance director is going to see if our resident locksmith can qualify as a fully qualified smith so we can get pins for vehicles. Doesn't help me with mine, but it does help about 90-95% of the other Mopar folks. Ill never own a post 98 Mopar ever again...

Bugout4x4

Man... Like I say... I feel it and hope you can get yours figured out without too much trouble man. But keep in mind the new ones are just as bad with some of this stuff. They create a drug, then create a situation where there is an absolute dependency on this drug, and then they are the only source for this drug.

The drug in this case are the security pins.