oil flush Jeep now smokes
04-16-2014, 03:19 PM
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Thanks for letting us know it is the 4.7. You never mentioned engine size before AFAIK.
Just what is it you expect Jiffy Lube to do?
Found this on the web:
"There is more than one school of thought on what the compression of the average engine should be. As a general rule a compression of 135 PSI or better is excellent, and a compression of 85 PSI or lower is extremely bad.
The most desirable situation is that all cylinders give the same or close to the same reading, and that reading is above 135 PSI. Uneven readings are not uncommon on worn engines, and as long as the difference between the highest and lowest readings are no more than 21 PSI and the lowest reading is 100 PSI or better, then the engine is acceptable. Greater differences between cylinders indicate worn or broken rings, leaky or sticky valves or a combination of all."
Just what is it you expect Jiffy Lube to do?
Found this on the web:
"There is more than one school of thought on what the compression of the average engine should be. As a general rule a compression of 135 PSI or better is excellent, and a compression of 85 PSI or lower is extremely bad.
The most desirable situation is that all cylinders give the same or close to the same reading, and that reading is above 135 PSI. Uneven readings are not uncommon on worn engines, and as long as the difference between the highest and lowest readings are no more than 21 PSI and the lowest reading is 100 PSI or better, then the engine is acceptable. Greater differences between cylinders indicate worn or broken rings, leaky or sticky valves or a combination of all."
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04-16-2014, 04:08 PM
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X2 the service they did, you probably weren't listening closely when they were talking to you about changing the oil. I know when I got my xj for the first time, I took it to a jiffy lube and had them change the oil and tranny. They asked if I wanted then flushed and I said no. And they didnt flush them
OP: you say they don't owe you a motor but you're truly acting like they do. This problem would have eventually showed up one way or another, either in your garage or a shop. This is more your fault for not doing a thorough check of the vehicle before purchasing. Most shops will do a car check for like $55-$85 and see what's worn and what might or will have problems.
Just suck it up and drive it. Look for a replacement or rebuild.
OP: you say they don't owe you a motor but you're truly acting like they do. This problem would have eventually showed up one way or another, either in your garage or a shop. This is more your fault for not doing a thorough check of the vehicle before purchasing. Most shops will do a car check for like $55-$85 and see what's worn and what might or will have problems.
Just suck it up and drive it. Look for a replacement or rebuild.
04-16-2014, 06:23 PM
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So they offeed me a flush on my xj and I declined. When I brought my grand cherokee in they got some dried oil fron the filler neck and out it on a piece of paper. I originally said no I dont want it. It cost around $150 I think. They then said well qe can do the flush and oil change for a total of $70. So I said no originally but then they get you to do it by scaring you (showing the dried oil) and then get you to bite by cutti g the price in half.
You know what if they deny my claim fine. Then it will be up to me if I want to take further action. However when the district manager sends me text calling me a liar is outrageous. That is what really gets me upset. He text that to me. That is not good customer relations. I then posted to jiffylubes facebook page stating that jiffylube employees call customers liars. Aftwer he saw that he apologized for calling me a liar and then he said he will go to bat for me on getting my claim approved.
What do I expext at this point? Nothing. Actually I can afford a reman engine however my wife wont let that fly. I also know about getting a car inspected. However if there is no check engine light on, no leaks, and the car is not smoking a mechanic would not notice anything.
One other thing. When I was there getti g the service done a manager was doing some training with a new employee. The manager keot telling the kid to ask the customer 3 times if they keep saying no.
There was a lady there with her car. They were doing some transmission service. They made her sign a waiver for some reason in order to do the service.
You know what if they deny my claim fine. Then it will be up to me if I want to take further action. However when the district manager sends me text calling me a liar is outrageous. That is what really gets me upset. He text that to me. That is not good customer relations. I then posted to jiffylubes facebook page stating that jiffylube employees call customers liars. Aftwer he saw that he apologized for calling me a liar and then he said he will go to bat for me on getting my claim approved.
What do I expext at this point? Nothing. Actually I can afford a reman engine however my wife wont let that fly. I also know about getting a car inspected. However if there is no check engine light on, no leaks, and the car is not smoking a mechanic would not notice anything.
One other thing. When I was there getti g the service done a manager was doing some training with a new employee. The manager keot telling the kid to ask the customer 3 times if they keep saying no.
There was a lady there with her car. They were doing some transmission service. They made her sign a waiver for some reason in order to do the service.
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04-16-2014, 09:37 PM
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I think you should read the first sentence in the beginning of this thread and think about that instead of trying to goat rope some shop into doing an overhaul for you on a vehicle you bought with unknown maintenance history and no warranty expressed or implied. The manager, whoever he is most likely did his very best not to go ape **** on you due to your lack of understanding.
Buildup over time probably did mask a problem.
Cleaning out the engine probably did loosen up all that crap in the motor. You might just have a valve stem seal problem that could be fixed in an afternoon in your driveway. Who knows, open it up and figure it out.
Your words and actions bleed that you don't completely comprehend what's going on. Dive in and learn how to fix your Jeep. You can start by learning how to change your own oil. The money saved can be better allocated to tools and maintenance manuals that last a lifetime. You might screw something up along the way but I guarantee after fixing your screwup or repairing your Jeep you won't forget again. WHY won't you forget? Because it comes out of your pocket. I've found over my years that people start to pay attention when something costs them time or money.
Buildup over time probably did mask a problem.
Cleaning out the engine probably did loosen up all that crap in the motor. You might just have a valve stem seal problem that could be fixed in an afternoon in your driveway. Who knows, open it up and figure it out.
Your words and actions bleed that you don't completely comprehend what's going on. Dive in and learn how to fix your Jeep. You can start by learning how to change your own oil. The money saved can be better allocated to tools and maintenance manuals that last a lifetime. You might screw something up along the way but I guarantee after fixing your screwup or repairing your Jeep you won't forget again. WHY won't you forget? Because it comes out of your pocket. I've found over my years that people start to pay attention when something costs them time or money.
04-16-2014, 11:07 PM
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At this point I dont expect anything fron jiffylube. I do kniw how to change my own oil. However its cheaper by going toJiffylube until now. For now on I will be doing it myself.
I also dont know if those compression numbers are right. The guy doing tried telling me blue smoke is excess fuel. This mechanic finally looked it up online and realized that I was right, blue smoke is burning oil. This was also a jiffylube shop so its in their best interest to have results in their favor. I alsi believe it is a valve seal problem and not rings since it only smokes when I give it some gas after sitting at a red light.
Also at this poiny since the engine is tired and being embarassed of having my car smoke I used engine restore. I dont know why Im saying this because now im going to get flamed. However since using engine restore my jeep has a lot less smoke. I know it could take upto 500 miles for it to take fulk effect but it is already working.
What is the lesson I learned? If im going to have someone do an oil change go to a real shop and not a quick lube place.
I also dont know if those compression numbers are right. The guy doing tried telling me blue smoke is excess fuel. This mechanic finally looked it up online and realized that I was right, blue smoke is burning oil. This was also a jiffylube shop so its in their best interest to have results in their favor. I alsi believe it is a valve seal problem and not rings since it only smokes when I give it some gas after sitting at a red light.
Also at this poiny since the engine is tired and being embarassed of having my car smoke I used engine restore. I dont know why Im saying this because now im going to get flamed. However since using engine restore my jeep has a lot less smoke. I know it could take upto 500 miles for it to take fulk effect but it is already working.
What is the lesson I learned? If im going to have someone do an oil change go to a real shop and not a quick lube place.
04-17-2014, 12:31 AM
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1.So I said no originally but then they get you to do it by scaring you (showing the dried oil) and then get you to bite by cutti g the price in half.
2. However when the district manager sends me text calling me a liar is outrageous. That is what really gets me upset. He text that to me. That is not good customer relations.
3. However if there is no check engine light on, no leaks, and the car is not smoking a mechanic would not notice anything.
4. One other thing. When I was there getti g the service done a manager was doing some training with a new employee. The manager keot telling the kid to ask the customer 3 times if they keep saying no.
There was a lady there with her car. They were doing some transmission service. They made her sign a waiver for some reason in order to do the service.
2. However when the district manager sends me text calling me a liar is outrageous. That is what really gets me upset. He text that to me. That is not good customer relations.
3. However if there is no check engine light on, no leaks, and the car is not smoking a mechanic would not notice anything.
4. One other thing. When I was there getti g the service done a manager was doing some training with a new employee. The manager keot telling the kid to ask the customer 3 times if they keep saying no.
There was a lady there with her car. They were doing some transmission service. They made her sign a waiver for some reason in order to do the service.
2. Refer to #1, he had every right to call you a liar. You tried to get them to pay for something YOU ALLOWED and said you didn't
3. False, maybe a shoddy $30 check shop or les schwab lol. when I did mine, they did a compression test both wet and dry(not a hard thing to do) took about a hour and a half to check all over.
4. Sounds like excuses to me
Sounds *** hole ish but its people in this world who don't take the dang freakin effort to actually do things right and it pisses me off when they complain when something bad happened, either by a poor purchase, improperly made stuff, etc...
Rant over
04-17-2014, 08:39 AM
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Im not trying to goat rope anyone doing anything. They offered a service which looking back on it I never should of done. If this service was never done it would not be smoking like it is. After talking to several shops including one who's owner was a master mechanic for chrysler said to never get a flush done. I do know how to change my own oil. So if you want to act superior and tell me how I should fix the problem on my own thats fine. I dont know how to change valve seals. Nor do I really want to learn. I dont want to take the chance of screwing up my motor to the point it does not work at all. Maybe if I had an old motor sitting in my garage I could experiment with it. Why does Jiffylube own their own repair shop? Because they screw up so many times. I never knew anything about valve seals before this. I never knew an engine flush could wipe old dried gunk which is harmless. If there is no history of the vehicle then jiffylube should not be offering these services. They do more harm than good. I dont understand why you feel the need to act so high and mighty. As far as the first response regarding seafoam the oil has been changed twice since then by me. On my XJ I have changed ball joints, shocks, sway bar bushings and endlinks. I changed the diiferential oil, iac valve, spark plugs, and did the fuel injector upgrade. I never did ball joints before but I did research and took the plunge and did it. So maybe to you thats nothing. Maybe you have the capability to rebuild a motor. Well I dont. I know what I can and cant do. I dont own the right tools to change seals even if I wanted to. The car only started smoking during the flush service and never stopped. If it started smoking a week or a month later then yes I would have no case. I dont have money laying around to try to fix my motor and if I screw up to go get a new one. I would love to put a reman engine in my jeep today. I cant afford it. My car was fine until I took it to jiffylube. I am not asking a shop to do an overhaul. If you said I could do it in an afternoon I am sure a shop could do it in half the time.
Without fully knowing the vehicle's maintenance history (forget what you were told by the previous owner), how do you know proper care was taken? Oil changes at proper intervals? Routine maintenance? If they neglected the vehicle, excessive blow by and oil consumption are common problems that cannot be pinned on Jiffylube. That's YOUR problem now.
Even if the oil flush eliminated all the gunk and sludge from your motor that was preventing smoke, the removal of that gunk only revealed a pre-existing problem. It wasn't directly caused by an oil flush only exposed by it. All the chemical warfare your using is not going to renew your motor. You're basically exhausting all cheap, short-term solutions that, in all likelihood, will inevitably require proper attention.
You mentioned in your first post you have your own mechanic. What are his thoughts on all of this? Why haven't you gone for a second opinion?
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04-17-2014, 12:59 PM
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Quote: "You mentioned in your first post you have your own mechanic. What are his thoughts on all of this? Why haven't you gone for a second opinion?"
Indeed. Why didn't you go there first before jumping in and buying this turkey?
All too often nowadays, people want to blame everyone else for their mistakes. In reality, the OP made certain choices on his own that didn't turn out so well. That's life, guy.
If you want to get something factory-fresh that probably won't need out-of-warranty work for awhile, go see your friendly Jeep dealer.
My dad owned a used tire store. They put a used tire on a guy's car one day. The next day he came back, demanding they buy him a new radio because his went out after the tire was put on.
Guess what my dad told him.
Sounds to me like the Jiffy Lube people have been more accommodating than most to the OP. The OP better watch what he puts online about people or companies. Making false accusations and publishing them is setting yourself up for a libel suit. If he doesn't have enough money to build an engine, he sure doesn't have enough to defend himself in court.
Indeed. Why didn't you go there first before jumping in and buying this turkey?
All too often nowadays, people want to blame everyone else for their mistakes. In reality, the OP made certain choices on his own that didn't turn out so well. That's life, guy.
If you want to get something factory-fresh that probably won't need out-of-warranty work for awhile, go see your friendly Jeep dealer.
My dad owned a used tire store. They put a used tire on a guy's car one day. The next day he came back, demanding they buy him a new radio because his went out after the tire was put on.
Guess what my dad told him.
Sounds to me like the Jiffy Lube people have been more accommodating than most to the OP. The OP better watch what he puts online about people or companies. Making false accusations and publishing them is setting yourself up for a libel suit. If he doesn't have enough money to build an engine, he sure doesn't have enough to defend himself in court.
04-20-2014, 07:40 PM
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Quote: "You mentioned in your first post you have your own mechanic. What are his thoughts on all of this? Why haven't you gone for a second opinion?"
Indeed. Why didn't you go there first before jumping in and buying this turkey?
All too often nowadays, people want to blame everyone else for their mistakes. In reality, the OP made certain choices on his own that didn't turn out so well. That's life, guy.
If you want to get something factory-fresh that probably won't need out-of-warranty work for awhile, go see your friendly Jeep dealer.
My dad owned a used tire store. They put a used tire on a guy's car one day. The next day he came back, demanding they buy him a new radio because his went out after the tire was put on.
Guess what my dad told him.
Sounds to me like the Jiffy Lube people have been more accommodating than most to the OP. The OP better watch what he puts online about people or companies. Making false accusations and publishing them is setting yourself up for a libel suit. If he doesn't have enough money to build an engine, he sure doesn't have enough to defend himself in court.
Indeed. Why didn't you go there first before jumping in and buying this turkey?
All too often nowadays, people want to blame everyone else for their mistakes. In reality, the OP made certain choices on his own that didn't turn out so well. That's life, guy.
If you want to get something factory-fresh that probably won't need out-of-warranty work for awhile, go see your friendly Jeep dealer.
My dad owned a used tire store. They put a used tire on a guy's car one day. The next day he came back, demanding they buy him a new radio because his went out after the tire was put on.
Guess what my dad told him.
Sounds to me like the Jiffy Lube people have been more accommodating than most to the OP. The OP better watch what he puts online about people or companies. Making false accusations and publishing them is setting yourself up for a libel suit. If he doesn't have enough money to build an engine, he sure doesn't have enough to defend himself in court.
Really? Everything I said has been true. Whay false accusations have I made? My jeep did not smoke before I had the flush done. It started smoking during the flush and never stopped. Its got better and worse but never stopped? What does buying a used tire and blaming a guy fir radio not working have to do with my situation? They did an engine flush and now my engine smokes. If they did an engine flush and then blame them for transmission going out I would understand that. I would love Jiffylube to sue me for libel. It would be so funny. In fact go ahead and call jiffylube corporate. Give them my name David Spangler in beaverton OR and refer them to this post. How many people had their transmission flushed at jiffylube and it goes bad becuase of their machine forcing fluid through things it should not be forced through? I came in for an oil change. I NEVER asked for a flush.
I did bring it to my mechanic. He said it should go away in 3 days and if it doesnt then most likely valve seals. I have called several shops including one owned by a former chryaler master tech who said a flush should never be done. Most shops dont recommend a flush. Actually I do have money puy aside but was not intended for a new engine.
Anyway because Jiffylube ruined my engine, yes I am blaming jiffylube I am installing a reman engine this week with 3yr/100k mile warranty.
04-20-2014, 08:54 PM
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You may have not ASKED for a flush but you ALLOWED it to happen because you caved in. Meaning it wasn't their fault, ypu coupd have stopd your ground but chose not too. It would have happen either there, another shop or at your house. The person at fault is your poor choice of choosing a vehicle without fully checking it out.
Kinda like the guy on naxja who couldn't get a pair of sliders to line up on his xj because it turned out his xj had been in 4 separate accidents but he didnt know that because he never checked. Should he blame the people who built the sliders he bought for Not fitting? No.
Kinda like the guy on naxja who couldn't get a pair of sliders to line up on his xj because it turned out his xj had been in 4 separate accidents but he didnt know that because he never checked. Should he blame the people who built the sliders he bought for Not fitting? No.
04-21-2014, 10:28 AM
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Quote: "Anyway because Jiffylube ruined my engine, yes I am blaming jiffylube"
No they didn't but you will always wrongly believe that no matter what we say.
Be sure to keep up with those warranty papers. If your muffler or brakes go out you might have to call them. Keep their Facebook page handy, too.
No they didn't but you will always wrongly believe that no matter what we say.
Be sure to keep up with those warranty papers. If your muffler or brakes go out you might have to call them. Keep their Facebook page handy, too.
04-21-2014, 10:37 AM
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Wow! Can't really believe this thread. Why in the world would anyone with any sense go to Jiffy Lube to begin with? They have been proven to be rip-offs time and time again....it's a wonder they are still in business. You have been answering some of these posts with some degree of knowledge of a vehicle, why not change your own oil? Ah, yeah Jiffy Lube is cheaper. I wonder if you've saved enough money on oil changes to justify that new motor. Never buy any unnecessary, extended warranties at Sears or Kmart, never have any unnecessary elective surgeries and never ever get the flush and fill at Jiffy Lube. All kidding aside, it's likely any flush and fill did not cause your problem, it was already there waiting to surface. Sorry for your issues and good luck.
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