Reliability
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Reliability
Hi folks, posting here as tech people will know about reliability issues, Looking at a 2019 trailhawk. After a disastrous 15 yrs with a 2002 Durango,
new trans, endless eletrical switches failures, 2 powersteering pumps, another torque converter, warped rotors 3 times all before 60k miles,
now at 90k miles the diff is whining on sharp turns, (powerloc clutches?) very leery about anything Chrysler, but wife likes the "shape."
Any comments on these models, say over the last 5 yrs or so much appreciated. Some say they're totally reliable (dealer), others say they roll over.
How do these handle?
Thanks Much, Max
new trans, endless eletrical switches failures, 2 powersteering pumps, another torque converter, warped rotors 3 times all before 60k miles,
now at 90k miles the diff is whining on sharp turns, (powerloc clutches?) very leery about anything Chrysler, but wife likes the "shape."
Any comments on these models, say over the last 5 yrs or so much appreciated. Some say they're totally reliable (dealer), others say they roll over.
How do these handle?
Thanks Much, Max
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Old fart with a wrench
Just wanted to say I've lost all faith in FCA. This is why I've just put a new engine AND transmission in my 2000 WJ. Today's vehicles are more computer on wheels than I like.
If I was to buy a 2019 Jeep, it would probably be the new Gladiator.
If I was to buy a 2019 Jeep, it would probably be the new Gladiator.
Last edited by dave1123; 09-14-2019 at 06:05 AM.
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I agree with Dave. The newer ones are very nice looking with a ton of creature comforts and options.. They of course ride very nice and new-like etc...
New vehicles are now in a transition phase though. They are going into the all electrical computerized realm. The mechanical nature is slowly dissapering. It probably won't be long before most manufacturers are producing and putting out more of these types which run on batteries being operated by extensive computerized systems. Ford has a Mustang based electric SUV coming out which they claim will have a 370 mile range.
The new Jeeps are very nice! However, they are a completely different vehicle compared to the model years prior. Similar shapes and all, but literally nothing else much shared in common any longer from the days of the past. It is hard to tell how they will fare in the short, or the long-run? Anyone who has ever attempted to trace down electrical issues in vehicles would almost certainly explain the potential headaches involved in doing so.. These new ones; tracing down their potential electrical computer issues may be a kin to, or described as having a major cerebrovascular attack - a stroke.
There will be no easy way of finding to fix their problems. The dealers will turn into the only way to fix the problems.. Soon, you will need very specialized and very high-doller expensive tools in order to find, sort, and to fix their problems. There is no way to really tell just yet how they will do long-term? You know how personal computers are, right? A three to five year old personal computer is considered outdated. Vehicles will be the same. In the future, when you own say maybe a five to ten year old computerized electrical vehicle, it will be considered outdated to the new technologies that will inevitably arise...
Vehicles are not quite there just yet. Soon enough though, they will be. For example, a thermostat nowadays mostly they run around $10.00 or so.. My buddy has an electric vehicle. The thermostat went out on him. To replace it the cost was $225.00, as it required a non-traditional computerized thermostat.
I do not know much about the 2019 Jeeps? I would imagine, if someone were to buy one, obtaining a very good warrenty on it will be paramount. Probably get out of it, off-loading it when the warrenty expires may be a smart move as well? Otherwise, when it comes time for repairs, maintenance, re-flashing, etc... There will likely be very large costs associated with continuing ownership of an out of warrenty new vehicle of any kind.. starting now, and carrying on into the production lines of future models.
I guess it will depend on how deep your pockets are, and your plans to be holding onto it or not?
I know this does not specifically answer the question you presented, but these are things to take into consideration when you are looking at purchasing brand new technology ridden vehicles coming out going forward.
I think a brand new 2019 Trailhawk will generally be a reliable vehicle. It should get you where you need to go. It will come with a warrenty should something about it malfunction.
New vehicles are now in a transition phase though. They are going into the all electrical computerized realm. The mechanical nature is slowly dissapering. It probably won't be long before most manufacturers are producing and putting out more of these types which run on batteries being operated by extensive computerized systems. Ford has a Mustang based electric SUV coming out which they claim will have a 370 mile range.
The new Jeeps are very nice! However, they are a completely different vehicle compared to the model years prior. Similar shapes and all, but literally nothing else much shared in common any longer from the days of the past. It is hard to tell how they will fare in the short, or the long-run? Anyone who has ever attempted to trace down electrical issues in vehicles would almost certainly explain the potential headaches involved in doing so.. These new ones; tracing down their potential electrical computer issues may be a kin to, or described as having a major cerebrovascular attack - a stroke.
There will be no easy way of finding to fix their problems. The dealers will turn into the only way to fix the problems.. Soon, you will need very specialized and very high-doller expensive tools in order to find, sort, and to fix their problems. There is no way to really tell just yet how they will do long-term? You know how personal computers are, right? A three to five year old personal computer is considered outdated. Vehicles will be the same. In the future, when you own say maybe a five to ten year old computerized electrical vehicle, it will be considered outdated to the new technologies that will inevitably arise...
Vehicles are not quite there just yet. Soon enough though, they will be. For example, a thermostat nowadays mostly they run around $10.00 or so.. My buddy has an electric vehicle. The thermostat went out on him. To replace it the cost was $225.00, as it required a non-traditional computerized thermostat.
I do not know much about the 2019 Jeeps? I would imagine, if someone were to buy one, obtaining a very good warrenty on it will be paramount. Probably get out of it, off-loading it when the warrenty expires may be a smart move as well? Otherwise, when it comes time for repairs, maintenance, re-flashing, etc... There will likely be very large costs associated with continuing ownership of an out of warrenty new vehicle of any kind.. starting now, and carrying on into the production lines of future models.
I guess it will depend on how deep your pockets are, and your plans to be holding onto it or not?
I know this does not specifically answer the question you presented, but these are things to take into consideration when you are looking at purchasing brand new technology ridden vehicles coming out going forward.
I think a brand new 2019 Trailhawk will generally be a reliable vehicle. It should get you where you need to go. It will come with a warrenty should something about it malfunction.
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Old fart with a wrench
Pretty soon, owning a vehicle will be like owning and aircraft, with constant qualified technical maintenance required to keep it functional. I own 2 twenty year old jeeps because I can still fix them myself.
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Seems that the Trailhawk is a trim version available on 4 different Jeep models so reliability will more likely be specific to a model and not a trim line. Check Consumer Reports where road test results and owner reliability feedback is typically available. You may have to subscribe to get all the details on the website. They also publish a vehicle rating print issue. The Consumer Reports predicted reliability of the 2019 Cherokee is 4 out of 5, not bad. There are a number of safety recalls on the 2019 Cherokee however.
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My brother's boss still owns and drives 2 jeep pickups from the 60s and 70s. He does also have a modern dd hyundai just because. One he modified to burn propane. The guy is in his 80s.
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