Critique this flux weld
#61
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From: Dayton Ohio
Year: 1998
Model: Cherokee
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Very true but you are speaking from the perspective of a full time welder and by the sounds of it you do a lot of welding out side of work.That's what you do so you need a good welder.
Not everybody needs a welder that will last multiple generations.A hobby welder is just that.Need to build your self a bumper for your jeep and then rarely if ever need a welder again, well a cheap hobby welder will get it done,and you're not out any money.
If you plan to do a lot of welding then it is a good idea to get a higher end welder like I said.
To go out and buy a top of the line welder just to do a couple of jobs is stupid unless you got it like that then more power to ya.
I personally dont own a mig because I feel I need a decent one and dont have $800 for the one I want right now.I can also do my welding at work if it is needed so I have even less of a reason to go out and blow the money for my own.
I also have an old "buzz box" mine is just the AC model that I inherited from my grandfather crazy how those old things last eh? Cant do much light metal welding with it though lol.
Everybody's situation is different and not everybody will have grand children lol
Not everybody needs a welder that will last multiple generations.A hobby welder is just that.Need to build your self a bumper for your jeep and then rarely if ever need a welder again, well a cheap hobby welder will get it done,and you're not out any money.
If you plan to do a lot of welding then it is a good idea to get a higher end welder like I said.
To go out and buy a top of the line welder just to do a couple of jobs is stupid unless you got it like that then more power to ya.
I personally dont own a mig because I feel I need a decent one and dont have $800 for the one I want right now.I can also do my welding at work if it is needed so I have even less of a reason to go out and blow the money for my own.
I also have an old "buzz box" mine is just the AC model that I inherited from my grandfather crazy how those old things last eh? Cant do much light metal welding with it though lol.
Everybody's situation is different and not everybody will have grand children lol
#62
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From: Southwestern Indiana
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0
I've been using this little 110v licoln all day.
It's pretty legit, running beautiful beads with core wire every on a 100' extension cord!
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...atalogId=10053
My iPhone camera won't take a good enough picture to show how nice these beads look! The vertical ups look great
It's pretty legit, running beautiful beads with core wire every on a 100' extension cord!
http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1...atalogId=10053
My iPhone camera won't take a good enough picture to show how nice these beads look! The vertical ups look great
#63
Also remember that you are melting two pieces together, try pre-heating first. Then slow down and build your puddle then start moving. The flux core is alright if you've burnt alot of it, bare wire is more easier, but if you control your speed verses your wire feed it will turn out good. Also a pretty weld is not always a strong weld.
#64
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From: Escalon, Ca
Year: 1996
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4litre
I guess I'm unusual, I can't buy cheap ****, I bought a 500$ table saw to do a 300$ job, but now I have a sweet *** table saw!
All I know is working with tools, you grow to appreciate a fine tool and once you've worked with nice equipment nothing else will compare.
900$ for my mig was cheap considering I paid $2k for the tig welder
All I know is working with tools, you grow to appreciate a fine tool and once you've worked with nice equipment nothing else will compare.
900$ for my mig was cheap considering I paid $2k for the tig welder
#65
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From: N.Y.
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: 4.0 L
I guess I'm unusual, I can't buy cheap ****, I bought a 500$ table saw to do a 300$ job, but now I have a sweet *** table saw!
All I know is working with tools, you grow to appreciate a fine tool and once you've worked with nice equipment nothing else will compare.
900$ for my mig was cheap considering I paid $2k for the tig welder
All I know is working with tools, you grow to appreciate a fine tool and once you've worked with nice equipment nothing else will compare.
900$ for my mig was cheap considering I paid $2k for the tig welder
I like nice new quality tools but sometimes you just can not justify the expense especially when you might only use the tool once.Thats my mind set any ways.
#66
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From: Dayton Ohio
Year: 1998
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X2 or you have certain things that are nessecitys such as like school for me...yea i wish i could dump my money into tools n my jeep but that wont get me to far when that has nothing to do with fire fighting ( Im a state certfied fire fighter and emt but aint got luck enough to get a job for it yet...however when i do ill have a bit more green to play with ha
#67
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From: Southwestern Indiana
Year: 1996
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Thanks everybody. I think the OP got plenty of good advise and got his issue solved. I think we are getting way off the topic the OP intended at this point. Lets leave it be.
#68
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From: Brunswick County, NC
Year: 1994
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Has anyone used this welder to do some sheet metal welding. I want to weld in some new floor pans. I have read that this welder does not do so well with thin material.
#69
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From: Southwestern Indiana
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Which welder? We have talked about quite a few. I would re-read all the posts here as I've spoken about this several times.
The cliff notes are the flux is not good (in my opinion) for thin sheet. I've blown through everything I've tried and ended up buying a Lincoln mig for the thin stuff. That said, I've welded thicker sheetmetal (slightly thicker then the body panels used in my dodge truck) with the flux and it was great. The bigger question is will the gauge metal of the XJ be thick enough to allow welding? I'm going to say possibly, if you tack it in over a long period of time. I don't think its going to be thick enough to lay a bead weld down with a hot flux, but thats just my opinion. You can make anything work if you experiment though.
Again, I'm not a professional, and only know what I know from my limited experience in trying to do the same thing you have mentioned.
Last edited by black_771; 02-02-2011 at 02:02 PM.
#70
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From: Brunswick County, NC
Year: 1994
Model: Cherokee
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Which welder? We have talked about quite a few. I would re-read all the posts here as I've spoken about this several times.
The cliff notes are the flux is not good (in my opinion) for thin sheet. I've blown through everything I've tried and ended up buying a Lincoln mig for the thin stuff. That said, I've welded thicker sheetmetal (slightly thicker then the body panels used in my dodge truck) with the flux and it was great. The bigger question is will the gauge metal of the XJ be thick enough to allow welding? I'm going to say possibly, if you tack it in over a long period of time. I don't think its going to be thick enough to lay a bead weld down with a hot flux, but thats just my opinion. You can make anything work if you experiment though.
Again, I'm not a professional, and only know what I know from my limited experience in trying to do the same thing you have mentioned.
The cliff notes are the flux is not good (in my opinion) for thin sheet. I've blown through everything I've tried and ended up buying a Lincoln mig for the thin stuff. That said, I've welded thicker sheetmetal (slightly thicker then the body panels used in my dodge truck) with the flux and it was great. The bigger question is will the gauge metal of the XJ be thick enough to allow welding? I'm going to say possibly, if you tack it in over a long period of time. I don't think its going to be thick enough to lay a bead weld down with a hot flux, but thats just my opinion. You can make anything work if you experiment though.
Again, I'm not a professional, and only know what I know from my limited experience in trying to do the same thing you have mentioned.
#73
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From: Missoula, MT
Year: 1999
Model: Cherokee
Engine: Golen 4.6 Stroker, AFE Headers, 62mm TB, 24 LB Injectors, Brown Dog kit, HF Cat, 3" Exhaust
I guess I'm unusual, I can't buy cheap ****, I bought a 500$ table saw to do a 300$ job, but now I have a sweet *** table saw!
All I know is working with tools, you grow to appreciate a fine tool and once you've worked with nice equipment nothing else will compare.
900$ for my mig was cheap considering I paid $2k for the tig welder
All I know is working with tools, you grow to appreciate a fine tool and once you've worked with nice equipment nothing else will compare.
900$ for my mig was cheap considering I paid $2k for the tig welder
but ide say for what hes doing (learning) a cheap one is sufficent.. student drivers dont get lambos.. they get beat up calvaliers
Last edited by Ianf406; 02-07-2011 at 03:53 PM.
#75
Flux core is actually hotter (deeper penetration) than shielded gas welding when amps and voltage are the same. You are correct that shielded gas welding produces much cleaner welds. Hobart offers conversion 'no-gas to gas' kits but this only works if the welder can use the kit. Meaning the polarity of the ground and stinger can be reversed and there is a way for the gas to get to the weld (hoses, wires and solenoid). Some wire feed welders are flux core only.
MIG welding info:
http://www.hobartwelders.com/elearning/#mig
Great welding forums:
http://www.hobartwelders.com/weldtalk/
http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...nities/mboard/
MIG welding info:
http://www.hobartwelders.com/elearning/#mig
Great welding forums:
http://www.hobartwelders.com/weldtalk/
http://www.millerwelds.com/resources...nities/mboard/
Last edited by DaddyCat; 02-08-2011 at 02:16 PM.