Blocks in the back bad?
06-05-2013, 10:34 PM
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I've been running rough country full leaf packs with no issues at all and so do a lot of people. I think they get a bad name simply because they are cheaper. You don't always have to spend a ton of money. cheap doesn't necessarily mean it is junk. heck most of us are driving cheap old jeeps and they definitely aren't junk. I wouldn't be afraid of rough country at all.
06-06-2013, 12:14 AM
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I run blocks, they work great. Off road more than most.
I just broke a 3in front coil from RC. Was going to post up a thread. But this will do.
I have been threatening to go back to coil spacers in the front, and lower my back end an inch or so. Now that my 3in coils broke. It confirms I am going back to coil spacers with good stock springs. I NEVER had a problem with these. Doesn't make the jeep to ride like a pick up either.
I will have to lower my back end an inch and a half but I am not losing the blocks. They work great and don't destroy anything. 1.5in blocks mind you. Not huge ones. Wont hurt a thing. There are a lot of hear say guys on here who are scared to death of blocks. I will warn you.
I also have had an AAL for a year now. It helps, but they do flatten out after a year. Mine anyways. Still running them fine though with the rest of a bastard pack.
Disclamer: I wheel a lot and probably got in a coil bind situation. Stock springs never went into bind like these thicker aftermarket ones. Nothing against the manufacturer.
I just broke a 3in front coil from RC. Was going to post up a thread. But this will do.
I have been threatening to go back to coil spacers in the front, and lower my back end an inch or so. Now that my 3in coils broke. It confirms I am going back to coil spacers with good stock springs. I NEVER had a problem with these. Doesn't make the jeep to ride like a pick up either.
I will have to lower my back end an inch and a half but I am not losing the blocks. They work great and don't destroy anything. 1.5in blocks mind you. Not huge ones. Wont hurt a thing. There are a lot of hear say guys on here who are scared to death of blocks. I will warn you.
I also have had an AAL for a year now. It helps, but they do flatten out after a year. Mine anyways. Still running them fine though with the rest of a bastard pack.
Disclamer: I wheel a lot and probably got in a coil bind situation. Stock springs never went into bind like these thicker aftermarket ones. Nothing against the manufacturer.
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06-06-2013, 02:10 AM
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All I here is mix match reviews. Go with blocks don't go with blocks. Go with RC, don't go with RC. My jeep is going to be a muddier not a rock crawler. So for a muddier what would be the 3 best lift kits for a okay price?
06-06-2013, 02:16 AM
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I really don't want people to read your comment and think blocks are a smart idea. please anyone reading this, do your homework and figure out why blocks should be the last last last resort option for lifting your jeep. and don't believe all the things people say on the internet
06-06-2013, 02:21 AM
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here's a list of all XJ lift companies. start clicking links, do some research and make an informed decision for yourself. any specific questions please feel free to ask. but theres no way any of us can tell you which brand is right for you
https://www.cherokeeforum.com/f67/xj...mpanies-76868/
06-06-2013, 06:52 AM
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:facepalm:
I really don't want people to read your comment and think blocks are a smart idea. please anyone reading this, do your homework and figure out why blocks should be the last last last resort option for lifting your jeep. and don't believe all the things people say on the internet
I really don't want people to read your comment and think blocks are a smart idea. please anyone reading this, do your homework and figure out why blocks should be the last last last resort option for lifting your jeep. and don't believe all the things people say on the internet
Present evidence. Prove your opinion is worthy. I have been wheeling with these a year with no problems what so ever. I gave honest advise from personal experience.
NOt so much to ask for you to do the same.
06-06-2013, 07:01 AM
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Anyways don't sweat it. No 3" kit will cause your jeep to blow up. And for just mud running I doubt you will notice much of a difference between a 100$ kit compared to a 1000$ kit.
Good luck.
06-06-2013, 07:26 AM
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Physics and mechanics(two proofs actually) is the proof, and there is no way around that. Any height higher than the center of the axle WILL CAUSE AXLE WRAP! No matter the height, there will be a pivoting point. Higher you go, the easier the pivoting will be hence axle wrap. Does it mean your rig is going to catch fire and taco itself? No BUT its going to put more wear and tear on your leafs much much faster than if you kept them closer to the center of the axle. Ya 1"-1.5" might not seem like a lot and its not going to cause axle wrap like a 8" block AT FIRST, but its going to significantly shorten the span of your leafs and warp them sooner than no block at all. That is just a fact! So why waste money on something that's going to further crap shoot your leafs(meaning if you had bought new leaf packs, expect them to not last as long as they should)
You can try and sell the idea that blocks are alright but they are not! The only time they should be used is in a mall crawler. Any off roading with great amount of torque used is going to cause the axle to want to twist, and those blocks, even at 1" is going to further increase that torque value on to the leafs and contort them. Might be small at first to where you won't notice but repetitive use and axle twisting is going to warp those leafs much quicker and can cause a serious accident if a leaf breaks.
You can try and sell the idea that blocks are alright but they are not! The only time they should be used is in a mall crawler. Any off roading with great amount of torque used is going to cause the axle to want to twist, and those blocks, even at 1" is going to further increase that torque value on to the leafs and contort them. Might be small at first to where you won't notice but repetitive use and axle twisting is going to warp those leafs much quicker and can cause a serious accident if a leaf breaks.
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06-06-2013, 07:32 AM
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Physics and mechanics(two proofs actually) is the proof, and there is no way around that. Any height higher than the center of the axle WILL CAUSE AXLE WRAP! No matter the height, there will be a pivoting point. Higher you go, the easier the pivoting will be hence axle wrap. Does it mean your rig is going to catch fire and taco itself? No BUT its going to put more wear and tear on your leafs much much faster than if you kept them closer to the center of the axle. Ya 1"-1.5" might not seem like a lot and its not going to cause axle wrap like a 8" block AT FIRST, but its going to significantly shorten the span of your leafs and warp them sooner than no block at all. That is just a fact! So why waste money on something that's going to further crap shoot your leafs(meaning if you had bought new leaf packs, expect them to not last as long as they should)
You can try and sell the idea that blocks are alright but they are not! The only time they should be used is in a mall crawler. Any off roading with great amount of torque used is going to cause the axle to want to twist, and those blocks, even at 1" is going to further increase that torque value on to the leafs and contort them. Might be small at first to where you won't notice but repetitive use and axle twisting is going to warp those leafs much quicker and can cause a serious accident if a leaf breaks.
You can try and sell the idea that blocks are alright but they are not! The only time they should be used is in a mall crawler. Any off roading with great amount of torque used is going to cause the axle to want to twist, and those blocks, even at 1" is going to further increase that torque value on to the leafs and contort them. Might be small at first to where you won't notice but repetitive use and axle twisting is going to warp those leafs much quicker and can cause a serious accident if a leaf breaks.
and he wonder's why his springs are flat in one year...
Never fear. The ReligiousCaveDweller knows what he's doing. He's a professional. He wheels twice as hard as anyone on this internet.
06-06-2013, 07:44 AM
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sadly enough the old cave dweller Is the only one on here with any proof.
and as usual no experience And only opinion is posted as argument
06-06-2013, 07:56 AM
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There's a reason that most people don't agree with you. You're the only one that needs proof. There's proof in this thread. There's proof everywhere. The hundreds of youtube videos of axle wrap aren't enough? Do you need before and after shots?
That's your only out. You immediately cut to "Prove it" every single time and back yourself up with your own half *** "Proof". When you were called out on your 34" of wheel travel you posted some lame *** video of you driving over a 20" tall rock... When you were praising open diffs and "Lockers are stupid" you posted some half *** video of you abusing your brakes.
Your proof sucks.
Sure, quality costs more. Most experienced folks on here spend their time trying to convince the newer guys that they're wasting their time cutting corners to begin with. Trying to save them some time and money. Then you come along, the King of Corner Cutting, and tell them to run blocks and coil spring spacers cause they're the coolest thing since sliced bread...
It's not always about the cheapest route...
06-06-2013, 08:03 AM
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^^EXACTLY.
Ive been there with the ****ty 3" RC lift, an even ****tier 4.5" RC lift, and a blocks and spacer lift.
They all rode like garbage, flexed like garbage, the 4.5" RC leafs shifted around all the time regardless how tight the keepers or center pin was, the coils were beyond stiff, the shocks (provided they suck to begin with) leaked out fluid after about 2 months.
Then I decided with my 2nd jeep Id spend a bit more $ and step up to rubicon Express.
RE seems to be doing me justice now that im on my 3rd jeep. Provided I only run their coils and leafs now (ran their superflex arms on last jeep), ive had 0 issues out of either piece since ive owned them.
Ive been there with the ****ty 3" RC lift, an even ****tier 4.5" RC lift, and a blocks and spacer lift.
They all rode like garbage, flexed like garbage, the 4.5" RC leafs shifted around all the time regardless how tight the keepers or center pin was, the coils were beyond stiff, the shocks (provided they suck to begin with) leaked out fluid after about 2 months.
Then I decided with my 2nd jeep Id spend a bit more $ and step up to rubicon Express.
RE seems to be doing me justice now that im on my 3rd jeep. Provided I only run their coils and leafs now (ran their superflex arms on last jeep), ive had 0 issues out of either piece since ive owned them.
06-06-2013, 08:06 AM
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^^EXACTLY.
Ive been there with the ****ty 3" RC lift, an even ****tier 4.5" RC lift, and a blocks and spacer lift.
They all rode like garbage, flexed like garbage, the 4.5" RC leafs shifted around all the time regardless how tight the keepers or center pin was, the coils were beyond stiff, the shocks (provided they suck to begin with) leaked out fluid after about 2 months.
Then I decided with my 2nd jeep Id spend a bit more $ and step up to rubicon Express.
RE seems to be doing me justice now that im on my 3rd jeep. Provided I only run their coils and leafs now (ran their superflex arms on last jeep), ive had 0 issues out of either piece since ive owned them.
Ive been there with the ****ty 3" RC lift, an even ****tier 4.5" RC lift, and a blocks and spacer lift.
They all rode like garbage, flexed like garbage, the 4.5" RC leafs shifted around all the time regardless how tight the keepers or center pin was, the coils were beyond stiff, the shocks (provided they suck to begin with) leaked out fluid after about 2 months.
Then I decided with my 2nd jeep Id spend a bit more $ and step up to rubicon Express.
RE seems to be doing me justice now that im on my 3rd jeep. Provided I only run their coils and leafs now (ran their superflex arms on last jeep), ive had 0 issues out of either piece since ive owned them.
