Blocks in the back bad?
06-06-2013, 01:20 PM
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i could show you a set of RE leafs that are less than a year old with a broken leaf pack, and that was with no blocks and only 3 mild wheeling trips.
so it doesn't matter what we use, blocks, no blocks, spacers, no spacers, roof rack that is held on to the stock roof rails, bumpers that are sub par to the manufactured ones that still have a winch and recovery tabs welded in...
really, blocks are the least worry for most on this site... what's a little bit of axle wrap. temporary loss of traction, oh well.
so it doesn't matter what we use, blocks, no blocks, spacers, no spacers, roof rack that is held on to the stock roof rails, bumpers that are sub par to the manufactured ones that still have a winch and recovery tabs welded in...
really, blocks are the least worry for most on this site... what's a little bit of axle wrap. temporary loss of traction, oh well.
06-06-2013, 01:22 PM
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here's the way I see it. you know how a breaker bar works. you're able to put more torque onto a bolt the longer your ratchet handle is. and it's much easier to turn that bolt with the longer ratchet. same idea applies to lift blocks. putting more distance between your axle and your leaf makes it easier for your axle to twist the leaf. not saying you can't get away with blocks without severe damage. but to tell people it does no harm at all is complete BS. and I dont need real life experience to understand that
someone flame this information if it sounds just as dumb as what caveman is saying
someone flame this information if it sounds just as dumb as what caveman is saying
WE install blocks on vehicles at least once or twice a week. The truth is most new people that come on here asking for set ups are not going to be running the king of the hammers.
THey will wheel a few times a year and have a ball. Blocks are not going to hurt anything in this situation. You boys that say otherwise do not have experience in this area. But you do read a lot. My advice is to actually either speak from experience or refer the poster to someone who has experience.
If this was practiced there would be a lot less arguing.
All the best.
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06-06-2013, 01:23 PM
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bastard packs are all about the time and effort you put into them built a pack for a buddies xj that would slenky all day like a 4 link. mines built to keep the rear planted while rally driving.
06-06-2013, 01:23 PM
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i could show you a set of RE leafs that are less than a year old with a broken leaf pack, and that was with no blocks and only 3 mild wheeling trips.
so it doesn't matter what we use, blocks, no blocks, spacers, no spacers, roof rack that is held on to the stock roof rails, bumpers that are sub par to the manufactured ones that still have a winch and recovery tabs welded in...
really, blocks are the least worry for most on this site... what's a little bit of axle wrap. temporary loss of traction, oh well.
so it doesn't matter what we use, blocks, no blocks, spacers, no spacers, roof rack that is held on to the stock roof rails, bumpers that are sub par to the manufactured ones that still have a winch and recovery tabs welded in...
really, blocks are the least worry for most on this site... what's a little bit of axle wrap. temporary loss of traction, oh well.
What should people worry about instead of those things?
So, what you're saying is that none of those things matter? We should all run d-ring tabs welded to the front bumper and big heavy roof racks attached to flimsy *** cross bars?
Axle wrap? Who cares about that ****. I'll just sit by and watch while all my friends (with no axle wrap) make obstacles look easy while I bounce all over the place with my silly little axle wrap that doesn't matter.
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06-06-2013, 01:31 PM
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I am pretty convinced you guys like trolling.
WE install blocks on vehicles at least once or twice a week. The truth is most new people that come on here asking for set ups are not going to be running the king of the hammers.
THey will wheel a few times a year and have a ball. Blocks are not going to hurt anything in this situation. You boys that say otherwise do not have experience in this area. But you do read a lot. My advice is to actually either speak from experience or refer the poster to someone who has experience.
If this was practiced there would be a lot less arguing.
All the best.
WE install blocks on vehicles at least once or twice a week. The truth is most new people that come on here asking for set ups are not going to be running the king of the hammers.
THey will wheel a few times a year and have a ball. Blocks are not going to hurt anything in this situation. You boys that say otherwise do not have experience in this area. But you do read a lot. My advice is to actually either speak from experience or refer the poster to someone who has experience.
If this was practiced there would be a lot less arguing.
All the best.
You're pretty predictable.
~Inexperienced Internet King
Last edited by Lowrange2; 06-06-2013 at 01:33 PM.
06-06-2013, 01:42 PM
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Really?! So, let's just close down the forum. I see no point in it if none of that matters.
What should people worry about instead of those things?
So, what you're saying is that none of those things matter? We should all run d-ring tabs welded to the front bumper and big heavy roof racks attached to flimsy *** cross bars?
Axle wrap? Who cares about that ****. I'll just sit by and watch while all my friends (with no axle wrap) make obstacles look easy while I bounce all over the place with my silly little axle wrap that doesn't matter.
What should people worry about instead of those things?
So, what you're saying is that none of those things matter? We should all run d-ring tabs welded to the front bumper and big heavy roof racks attached to flimsy *** cross bars?
Axle wrap? Who cares about that ****. I'll just sit by and watch while all my friends (with no axle wrap) make obstacles look easy while I bounce all over the place with my silly little axle wrap that doesn't matter.
no, what i was saying is when someone posts up pics of a shoddy built bumper or roof rack that they built, everyone says "looks great", but the moment someone posts up about blocks, they get this.
as mentioned, those that use blocks aren't running level 5 trails, probably just street to mild cross country trails, you know, the average weekend warrior.
i agree, blocks are not the best option, but they're no different than bastard packs, really, but it gets the job done temporarily, at least until the user decides/affords to go bigger/better.
there really is no harm if a beginner uses them temporarily.
it all comes down to ones opinion and how strong that opinion really is.
06-06-2013, 01:47 PM
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no, what i was saying is when someone posts up pics of a shoddy built bumper or roof rack that they built, everyone says "looks great", but the moment someone posts up about blocks, they get this.
as mentioned, those that use blocks aren't running level 5 trails, probably just street to mild cross country trails, you know, the average weekend warrior.
i agree, blocks are not the best option, but they're no different than bastard packs, really, but it gets the job done temporarily, at least until the user decides/affords to go bigger/better.
there really is no harm if a beginner uses them temporarily.
it all comes down to ones opinion and how strong that opinion really is.
as mentioned, those that use blocks aren't running level 5 trails, probably just street to mild cross country trails, you know, the average weekend warrior.
i agree, blocks are not the best option, but they're no different than bastard packs, really, but it gets the job done temporarily, at least until the user decides/affords to go bigger/better.
there really is no harm if a beginner uses them temporarily.
it all comes down to ones opinion and how strong that opinion really is.
But, to be clear, if I see a shoddy built bumper or roof rack I don't hesitate to tell them that it's junk and what they need to do differently to improve their design.
06-06-2013, 01:59 PM
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For the guys out there who are really looking for sound advice. Its here, but you have to wade through so much crap to get it.
THat said you boys may want to write a letter to every suspension company out there telling them how unsafe blocks are. Then you may want to write letters to all the vehicle manufacturers stating how their trucks are unsafe.
I really don't know how the automotive world gets by without your surpreme internet knowledge.
LIsten guys if you don't want to run blocks don't run them.
THat said you boys may want to write a letter to every suspension company out there telling them how unsafe blocks are. Then you may want to write letters to all the vehicle manufacturers stating how their trucks are unsafe.
I really don't know how the automotive world gets by without your surpreme internet knowledge.
LIsten guys if you don't want to run blocks don't run them.
06-06-2013, 02:05 PM
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I'm not saying blocks are unsafe. no one said that. the point you're missing is that you're saying blocks wont do any damage and that's not true. run blocks all day if you want. anyone else should feel free to run blocks too as long as they're aware of the side affects. I want people to make informed decisions for their jeep upgrades not just read what someone like you says and go out and buy blocks thinking its fine
06-06-2013, 02:12 PM
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theres always people watching and absorbing the goings-on of this forum. if you want to buy blocks and knowingly risk the consequences so be it. but for someone to read that blocks do no harm and go buy them based on that isn't right.
slim careful with the 5.5's. a 3.5" pack with a good shackle and shackle relocation can net 6" of lift and flex/ride way better.
06-06-2013, 02:44 PM
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theres always people watching and absorbing the goings-on of this forum. if you want to buy blocks and knowingly risk the consequences so be it. but for someone to read that blocks do no harm and go buy them based on that isn't right.
slim careful with the 5.5's. a 3.5" pack with a good shackle and shackle relocation can net 6" of lift and flex/ride way better.
06-06-2013, 04:46 PM
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Im not reading through everything here, but I have never run blocks, so I have no first hand experience with them. The only reason I have never run them is because I have a basic understanding of physics and always had axle wrap regardless, why would I want to make it much worse?
Here is a pair of rubicon express leaf springs (either 4.5 or 3.5", can't remember) next to some stock leaf springs. They were under my jeep for less than a year when they looked like this. And they looked MUCH worse when weight was on them. You can clearly see how they began to turn into an "s" shape.
jeepcrap002.jpg?t=1370549425
ANYWHO!
having had terrible axle wrap without blocks, and even breaking several rearmost u joints from them binding from axle wrap (never a broken leaf thank goodness) I can safely say I never recommend blocks to any rig that is wheeled.
Im sure If I have run blocks on my rig, I would have destroyed leaf springs and cracked plenty of transfer case output housings.
And breakage is only one downside to axle wrap, like said, its a traction thing too. More axle wrap= more trouble finding traction. Go from a rig with axle wrap to a rig with a traction bar, the difference is amazing and I regret not doing it sooner.
Here is a pair of rubicon express leaf springs (either 4.5 or 3.5", can't remember) next to some stock leaf springs. They were under my jeep for less than a year when they looked like this. And they looked MUCH worse when weight was on them. You can clearly see how they began to turn into an "s" shape.
jeepcrap002.jpg?t=1370549425
ANYWHO!
having had terrible axle wrap without blocks, and even breaking several rearmost u joints from them binding from axle wrap (never a broken leaf thank goodness) I can safely say I never recommend blocks to any rig that is wheeled.
Im sure If I have run blocks on my rig, I would have destroyed leaf springs and cracked plenty of transfer case output housings.
And breakage is only one downside to axle wrap, like said, its a traction thing too. More axle wrap= more trouble finding traction. Go from a rig with axle wrap to a rig with a traction bar, the difference is amazing and I regret not doing it sooner.
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