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Old 04-04-2012, 10:03 PM
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It will only roll over if you drive like a complete and total idiot, which at that point you should have no buisness being behind the wheel of any vehicle.
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Originally Posted by Outlaw Star
It will only roll over if you drive like a complete and total idiot, which at that point you should have no buisness being behind the wheel of any vehicle.
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Mine rides like like it's on rails with a 3" lift and 31" tires.
But common sense plays a big part in driving any vehicle.
I bet I can flip a Ford escort just as quick as a full size Chevy Blazer or a Dodge power wagon. Maybe even at the same speed.
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Back when I used to drive like an idiot, I was dared to powerslide my XJ on dry pavement. When it caught traction it pitched violently but kept all 4 on the ground. Even with no sway bars its stable unless you are stupid and take turns excessively hard. Wronglers give Jeep a bad reputation for being unstable.
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Well, it depends on the way you use your car! I've been using my Cherokee for almost 4 years and I think it's an excellent car!!!
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Really guys ? You could flip an Escort as easy as a full size Blazer? Its Cherokee Forum and we obviously all love Cherokees, but why are you arguing that its so hard to flip? Its an SUV (well according to some its not cuz its a Jeep blablabla). I mean rides like its on rails? Compared to what? Other SuVs maybe. I know I am going to take heat for this but oh well. And that goes for other SUVs to by the way. I am not hating on the XJs. Actually I am not hating at all. I LOVE my cherokee.

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Old 04-05-2012, 09:23 AM
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Really guys ? You could flip an Escort as easy as a full size Blazer? Its Cherokee Forum and we obviously all love Cherokees, but why are you arguing that its so hard to flip? Its an SUV (well according to some its not cuz its a Jeep blablabla). I mean rides like its on rails? Compared to what? I know I am going to take heat for this but oh well. The video on page 1 that everyone says he drives like a jack#$ ? You might see that, but at the moment of the rollover all I see is a guy in a Cherokee driving maybe 40 or 50mph and swerving to the left to avoid running over a kid (or a cow) that jumped into the middle of the road out of no where. Take a look at that part and tell me if there he did anything wrong? And that goes for other SUVs to by the way. I am not hating on the XJs. Actually I am not hating at all. I LOVE my cherokee.
Cherokee isn't a real BOF SUV it's actually a lifted hatchback/station wagon, it is far less likely to rollover then a Rodeo or explorer or expedition. Those aforementioned SUVs have soft squishy suspension and copious amounts of body roll when turning, plus their BOF design puts more stress on the structure in the case that they do rollover. I witnessed a late 90s Mercury Mountaineer(late 90s version of explorer) yesterday, some idiot cut her off and she turned hard into the other lane to pass and her squishy suspension meant she was swaying left and right for about 5 seconds after she was in the other lane. The stiff suspension of the Cherokee, lightweight, unibody, relatively low center of graity(since it is afterall just a lifted hatchback, and stiff a/b/c/d pillars), all add up to a very safe vehicle. It is one of the least likely, if not the least off road oriented SUV that is going to rollover. I have same ride height as Nissan Titan but my height is same as Dodge Caliber.

The Cherokee is hard to roll, I was t boned at 40 mph and didn't. Especially relative to other SUVs like I mentioned earlier. You have to try to make a Cherokee roll where as all you have to do in an explorer is flick the wheel left or right and it already starts swaying.

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Your dad is thinking of a samurai...they ARE easy to tip.
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Originally Posted by XJeep99Classic

Cherokee isn't a real BOF SUV it's actually a lifted hatchback/station wagon, it is far less likely to rollover then a Rodeo or explorer or expedition. Those aforementioned SUVs have soft squishy suspension and copious amounts of body roll when turning, plus their BOF design puts more stress on the structure in the case that they do rollover. I witnessed a late 90s Mercury Mountaineer(late 90s version of explorer) yesterday, some idiot cut her off and she turned hard into the other lane to pass and her squishy suspension meant she was swaying left and right for about 5 seconds after she was in the other lane. The stiff suspension of the Cherokee, lightweight, unibody, relatively low center of graity(since it is afterall just a lifted hatchback, and stiff a/b/c/d pillars), all add up to a very safe vehicle. It is one of the least likely, if not the least off road oriented SUV that is going to rollover. I have same ride height as Nissan Titan but my height is same as Dodge Caliber.

The Cherokee is hard to roll, I was t boned at 40 mph and didn't. Especially relative to other SUVs like I mentioned earlier. You have to try to make a Cherokee roll where as all you have to do in an explorer is flick the wheel left or right and it already starts swaying.
I agree with most of what you say... but don't EVER call my xj a station wagon again.... lol
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Originally Posted by XJeep99Classic
Cherokee isn't a real BOF SUV it's actually a lifted hatchback/station wagon, it is far less likely to rollover then a Rodeo or explorer or expedition. Those aforementioned SUVs have soft squishy suspension and copious amounts of body roll when turning, plus their BOF design puts more stress on the structure in the case that they do rollover. I witnessed a late 90s Mercury Mountaineer(late 90s version of explorer) yesterday, some idiot cut her off and she turned hard into the other lane to pass and her squishy suspension meant she was swaying left and right for about 5 seconds after she was in the other lane. The stiff suspension of the Cherokee, lightweight, unibody, relatively low center of graity(since it is afterall just a lifted hatchback, and stiff a/b/c/d pillars), all add up to a very safe vehicle. It is one of the least likely, if not the least off road oriented SUV that is going to rollover. I have same ride height as Nissan Titan but my height is same as Dodge Caliber.

The Cherokee is hard to roll, I was t boned at 40 mph and didn't. Especially relative to other SUVs like I mentioned earlier. You have to try to make a Cherokee roll where as all you have to do in an explorer is flick the wheel left or right and it already starts swaying.

I said that the Cherokee is less likely to roll than most SUV's in my first post already. I give up. Did Ralph Nader say that an XJ is a lifted hatchback in his book that was published in 1965 ? Is your XJs engine, tcase and transmission really as low to the ground as your friend's Caliber's guts? The Xj is the safest vehicle under 3000lb ?Where do you get your information?

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Originally Posted by DieselD

I agree with most of what you say... but don't EVER call my xj a station wagon again.... lol
My insurance calls it a station wagon and it says it on my title.
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Originally Posted by helmut

I said that the Cherokee is less likely to roll than most SUV's in my first post already. I give up. Did Ralph Nader say that an XJ is a lifted hatchback in his book that was published in 1965 ? Is your XJs engine, tcase and transmission really as low to the ground as your friend's Caliber's guts? The Xj is the safest vehicle under 3000lb ?Where do you get your information?
I'm on my iPhone, I recall reading that when I was looking through the many articles about the XJ online when I had first my old one in August. The XJ is one of the safest vehicles under 3,000 lbs for it age. Look at what else is out there in that weight class- Honda Civic, Suzuki Samurai, Toyota Corolla, Cavalier, etc. Sub compacts with 10 inches of crumple zone. Camrys and Accord have weighed low-mid 3k for past 15 years.
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I'm going to have to double check my title. If it says wagon I'm going to argue with a DMV person when I renew. Lol
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Originally Posted by XJeep99Classic
I'm on my iPhone, I recall reading that when I was looking through the many articles about the XJ online when I had first my old one in August. The XJ is one of the safest vehicles under 3,000 lbs for it age. Look at what else is out there in that weight class- Honda Civic, Suzuki Samurai, Toyota Corolla, Cavalier, etc. Sub compacts with 10 inches of crumple zone. Camrys and Accord have weighed low-mid 3k for past 15 years.

Why would anybody looking for info on an XJ safety care about what safety is like on a Corolla or a CIvic? Even if they weigh the same. By that logic, Do you want me to compare two cars from totally different classes just because they weigh..... lets say.....over 5,000lb? Throw that iPhone out and use your brain. Again: What about Nader's book? Or your XJ being lower COG than a caliber? And who cares about what Camry's and accords weighed for the past 15 years? You have a lot of information but you still have to make sense of what you are saying.

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Originally Posted by helmut

Why would anybody looking for info on an XJ safety care about what safety is like on a Corolla or a CIvic? Even if they weigh the same. By that logic, Do you want me to compare two cars from totally different classes just because they weigh..... lets say.....over 5,000lb? Throw that iPhone out and use your brain. Again: What about Nader's book? Or your XJ being lower COG than a caliber? And who cares about what Camry's and accords weighed for the past 15 years? You have a lot of information but you still have to make sense of what you are saying.
I never said it had a Lowe COG, but it's closer then you think, I did say my roof height was the same +\- 1/2 inch. When comparing vehicles in the same weight class equal energy is transferred to the occupants of each vehicle. I was using that as an example of how comparatively weighted vehicles perform in crash tests to show how safe the XJ is relative to those said vehicles.


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