holycaveman

I will just get 20000 and they will be bald. But I knew it when I bought them.

They cut through the slick trails like nothing else though. Good in deep mud also, and rocks. Figures though they don't last.


I just got a quote of 213 a tire out the door for the coopers in a 35 x 12.5 . So definitely a good option there.

xj_maniac_newb

I'd jump on that. That's cheap as hell around here.

Chris01XJ

I thought the same thing when i first stated looking at the Coopers too but after seeing them in person it changed my mind completely, the tread pattern is bigger than you think and really deep too.

Chris01XJ

Plus they have a millage warranty which is unheard of for a mud terrain.

holycaveman

Now I don't know. You boys are starting to talk me out of the uber agressive tires. I can get the km2 35 x 12.5 for the same price. 213 per tire out the door.

I will have to do some thinking. Every review I have heard says the km2's are better in mud than the cooper.

SO I don't know. I do know that I was not impressed with the yota on km2's. But in the tires defense the guy did not let any air out for the trails. Maybe that tire has to run low pressure to hook up?

I know low pressure is king, just saying...

ktmracer419

you are basing your experience on one rig with an idiot and/or super lazy owner?

I ran mine between 5-10 psi depending on the trail.

pictures because I feel like it.

sidewall foldage


wheelie time (axle wrap ended up cracking my yoke)


pivoting


this happened in front of a large crowd, everyone thought i was hung up having all my tires hovering off the ground, nope, scissored the wheel and I was on my way.


check out the footprint. a silly swb wrangler flipped end over end here while I crawled right up.


made it up with a tire in the air


so much traction i even broke a 35 spline 60 shaft on a freshly cut obstacle

holycaveman

[quote=ktmracer419;2223751]you are basing your experience on one rig with an idiot and/or super lazy owner?

I ran mine between 5-10 psi depending on the trail.

pictures because I feel like it.



Well I suppose with the money I will save buying these over the swampers or the crushers, I could buy a tire groover.

Now this is more like it!

Xj88

Ran 10 psi in my yota on 35 km2s. Good ****ing tire. Enough said

ktmracer419

i have come to the conclusion you just like to be different. unless deep mud is your thing i see no benefit to chopping every other lug off. less edges to bite into the surface you want traction on, they would be more prone to the carcass of the tire folding over when they do grab something too.

That was the problem with my tsl's, the outer lugs would grab something, but the carcass of the tire would just fold over leaving me going nowhere. notice tires like the creepy crawlers and bfg krawlers have taller lugs than most mud tires. this helps prevent that carcass folding, even though the carcass is much tougher and more resistant to that on those more aggressive tires.

bfg even makes their red label krawlers in a competition tread depth to further prevent that. Its just shorter lugs. I have noticed that creepy crawlers also work better when they are worn in a bit, and have friends who have experienced the same thing.

ct67_72

New style and old style MT/R's are NOT the same.
I also loved my km2's, but I dont do much muddy/trail stuff. Any time I was in the mud they definitely did not perform as well most others I have used. Most will tell you the same also. I had some good trail miles on them though and was always happy, it was really just MUD.
I wish they werent 800$ a piece for the 40's

holycaveman

The larger the void in between lugs, the easier they clean out. I run on slick muddy trails 7 times out of 10. and if its completely dry I still have to cross a creek or climb a muddy bank. I don't like spinning tires, it just tears up everything. Lugs close together pack up and act like slicks.

For rock and hard pack its completely different. But I don't run hard pack. If its dirt its loamy or muddy.

You have to realize not everyone wheels on rock believe it or not.

ktmracer419

just bolt a broom to each wheel well. self cleaning with no wheelspin required.

xj_maniac_newb

I think your thinking the tread lugs are closer together than they are.. here's a comparison for you.


top two is 31" federal with quarter in widest lug space

bottom two is 32" KM2 with same quarter in widest lug space.

holycaveman

Now that doesn't look too bad. May give them a try. I am a hard sell. But its my money.

holycaveman

Although......there is a lot more to a tire than gaps. Its surface area. The wider the contact patch in the center, the less the tire sinks in to bite and use the gaps it has.

For instance the center section in the km2 is about the same width as my entire tread area.

So most likely a groover will be in order. Will be fun though!