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Old 07-19-2010, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Tural
i'd buy a zero miles cherokee of any year. but if they do remake it, i hope it still looks the same, or at least almost the same. i'd jump on a commander in a heartbeat, but that thing is loaded with wallet sucker accessories. and not even a solid front axle.
so, in my mind it has to be still around 3000 lbs. solid front axle, have something very comparable to I6, maybe a V8 and be very simple inside.
They could make it look the same and just upgrade everything and to satisfy the non off-roading community they could have a model that has only 2 wheel drive and is more economical, but has a luxury interior. Then have a version that has a 5.7 L V8 Hemi and 4 wheel drive with a cheaper interior. Seems possible to me.
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I dont think bringing the liberty in and discontinueing the XJ was a bad business move. I will agree that I personally dont like the compass and patriot but I do like the new liberty and I really like the GC. Our 06 GC is very nice. There are a ton of libertys on the road so I wouldnt call it a bad business move. I would like the XJ to come back but then again I would like to see the wagoneer and comanchee on the road again too. As for the commander... it really was about time Jeep got into the oversized SUV market.
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Gotta Agree. Bring back an updated XJ.

While you are at it Bring back an updated Comanche too.
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our liberty does very well off road. alot of the serious off roader liberty owners have been on trail rides and followed the wranglers right up the path. some of them even had to pass stuck wranglers for the fun of it to show the liberty can go everywhere the wranglers go.

its the same across the boards, if someone knows how to drive, they can go anywhere in anything.
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Originally Posted by superj
our liberty does very well off road. alot of the serious off roader liberty owners have been on trail rides and followed the wranglers right up the path. some of them even had to pass stuck wranglers for the fun of it to show the liberty can go everywhere the wranglers go.

its the same across the boards, if someone knows how to drive, they can go anywhere in anything.
I agree with you 100% on the Liberty and its abilities but in my opinion they are just ugly.
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BRING BACK THE XJ,
PEOPLE!
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Bringing back the XJ just ain't gonna happen, for a while at least. They've made too much money with the Commander, Patriot, and Liberty. Hell, the Cherokee was never intended to run in on the Wrangler's "limited market", but it did because of like minded enthusiasts. There are Liberty enthusiasts out there who love their KJ (I think that's it), just as much as we love our XJ's. More power to them, if they can create companies to offer upgraded products to make the Liberty more capable (i.e. Rock Lizard). The XJ is a thing of the past. I'm glad too, because no one wants an old discontinued Jeep. That makes them cheap and leaves more of them available for me to use as spare parts!!!
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if they were to bring back the cherokee i could see it having IFS, a 4 cylinder or a v-6, and a crappy rear axle. those seem to be the "in" things with "SUV's" now.
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Originally Posted by 61scout80
I'm with you on the axles, not the springs.
The closest thing we will ever see to an XJ is the 4 door JK. if jeep produced another station wagon suv it would be built to fit the on road cup holder crowd. They wouldn't build something that cuts in on the limited market of the JK...

My father has a jk, I didnt like it at first until I started helping him install his mods. (bumper, winch, lights, discos, budget boost, throttle body spacer, cold air intake, exhaust etc..) it seems to me that jeep REALLY thought things through with thier new wranglers. They have a TON of clearance for tires without a lift (besides thats the "new" thing, bigger tires and keeping it low) and with the throttle body spacer, exhaust and intake, the weak V-6 has really pepped up and compares with my 93 4.0L.

Overall, I have to give it credit and the more I look at them the more I realize they actually do look VERY similar to the Cherokee, not to mention they have a REAL frame and not a unibody.

I am planning on getting one down the road because of how impressed I am with my father's rig.
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I'm pretty sure Chrylser got rid of the Cherokee because it was outsellling their Grand Cherokee.

I read somewhere that they got rid of the Comanche because it was better (4.0 I6) than their Dakota at the time.

I would not buy a new Cherokee if they did make them again, atleast not right away. The main reason would be the monthly payment. I am looking for a 1999 to use as a DD/ street jeep while I keep building up my 1990.
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Originally Posted by Ritter4.0
I'm pretty sure Chrylser got rid of the Cherokee because it was outsellling their Grand Cherokee.
This simply makes no sense. Why would any company eliminate a product that sells well simply because it sells well? I read somewhere that one main reason they got rid of the XJ was that the 4.0 was not fuel efficient enough (among other things) for the new requirements/laws, and making it so was not going to be a cost effective alternative for the company. The Commander was created partially to allow Jeep to compete in the full-size SUV 3-row-seats category.

There have been literally dozens of threads like this in every Jeep Forum in the world. Every few months some starry-eyed in-love-with-my-Cherokee XJ n00b creates a "bring back the XJ" thread. This is invariably followed by all types of speculation as to why it was killed off, forum intellectuals & armchair engineers devise countless ideas about raising the dead, declarations that the XJ is the greatest off-roader of all time, and of course, the blind bashing of everything made since the XJ's demise in 2001.

Old. Really old.
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Originally Posted by _StationWagon_
This simply makes no sense. Why would any company eliminate a product that sells well simply because it sells well? I read somewhere that one main reason they got rid of the XJ was that the 4.0 was not fuel efficient enough (among other things) for the new requirements/laws, and making it so was not going to be a cost effective alternative for the company. The Commander was created partially to allow Jeep to compete in the full-size SUV 3-row-seats category.
They probably thought the Grand would sell better after they got rid the XJ. The Grand cost more, sell more (because you can't get an XJ), make more profit faster?
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They're not even in the same class of vehicle. The Grand is a luxury V8 (yes, I know some were straight 6), & the XJ is a workhorse stepchild.
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Originally Posted by _StationWagon_
This simply makes no sense. Why would any company eliminate a product that sells well simply because it sells well? I read somewhere that one main reason they got rid of the XJ was that the 4.0 was not fuel efficient enough (among other things) for the new requirements/laws, and making it so was not going to be a cost effective alternative for the company. The Commander was created partially to allow Jeep to compete in the full-size SUV 3-row-seats category.

There have been literally dozens of threads like this in every Jeep Forum in the world. Every few months some starry-eyed in-love-with-my-Cherokee XJ n00b creates a "bring back the XJ" thread. This is invariably followed by all types of speculation as to why it was killed off, forum intellectuals & armchair engineers devise countless ideas about raising the dead, declarations that the XJ is the greatest off-roader of all time, and of course, the blind bashing of everything made since the XJ's demise in 2001.

Old. Really old.
easy there socrates


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