Jeep's worst decision in the world
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I would want an XJ looking the same too , but with the interior and mechanics updated. Maybe the option of a 4cyl turbo diesel too . Also it would be nice if there were a 2 door model with removable rear roof section, like the broncos use to be .
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Actually, IMO an "XJ" with a frame is actually a 4-door Wrangler with a few cosmetic changes like removeable doors & top.
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Careful what you wish for.
On Honda forums, people have been saying for 20 years they should bring back the CRX. Now, they finally have, and it's a damned hybrid.
It kills me, but the glory days of tin-can cars are over due to regulations. And yes, I consider the XJ a tin can due to the fact that it weighs less than my 99 CRV (3400lbs, 140HP!?!)... and I like it that way. Most of us enthusiasts love light, hoonable cars (and trucks), but they ain't coming back. There's a reason Ford's got 300HP in the new V6 Mustang, and that's because it needs it.
By modern crash-test standards, an XJ, or pretty much anything from back then would be below the scale.
On Honda forums, people have been saying for 20 years they should bring back the CRX. Now, they finally have, and it's a damned hybrid.
It kills me, but the glory days of tin-can cars are over due to regulations. And yes, I consider the XJ a tin can due to the fact that it weighs less than my 99 CRV (3400lbs, 140HP!?!)... and I like it that way. Most of us enthusiasts love light, hoonable cars (and trucks), but they ain't coming back. There's a reason Ford's got 300HP in the new V6 Mustang, and that's because it needs it.
By modern crash-test standards, an XJ, or pretty much anything from back then would be below the scale.
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they made millions of them and around here they are all over the roads and in yards...
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the xj left and thats just because the term "XJ" describes the body style every car has to have a body style change its inevitable... jeep never got rid of the cherokee though if you want to order any parts from OME or ARB for your liberty you have to order them as parts for a cherokee example: OME lift kit for a 2004 cherokee is for a liberty
everybody else in the world except north america calls the liberty a cherokee
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everybody else in the world except north america calls the liberty a cherokee
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IFS says that's no Cherokee - I don't care who calls it what. A REAL Cherokee has square headlights. Put that back in the junk yard where you got it
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Problem is that Jeep no longer offers the 4.0 straight six. Even if they made a new cherokee next year it would have a POS V6 in it and surely would have at least independent suspension in the front if not on all 4 corners. It would also have an electronically shifted Tcase.
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I completly agree
im not trying to say that what jeep did is ok but from a financial aspect they did what they had to do they can not afford to produce two hard core off road models its not a big enough market thank god they at least offer the jk still
the jk unlimited is everything anybody could want from a jeep four doors that pop off solid axles front and rear air lockers from the factory and huge aftermarket support.
the jk is the new cherokee its built to be built by the owner
im not trying to say that what jeep did is ok but from a financial aspect they did what they had to do they can not afford to produce two hard core off road models its not a big enough market thank god they at least offer the jk still
the jk unlimited is everything anybody could want from a jeep four doors that pop off solid axles front and rear air lockers from the factory and huge aftermarket support.
the jk is the new cherokee its built to be built by the owner
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I think these should be produced from factory
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I wish they would make this.
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I completly agree
im not trying to say that what jeep did is ok but from a financial aspect they did what they had to do they can not afford to produce two hard core off road models its not a big enough market thank god they at least offer the jk still
the jk unlimited is everything anybody could want from a jeep four doors that pop off solid axles ...
im not trying to say that what jeep did is ok but from a financial aspect they did what they had to do they can not afford to produce two hard core off road models its not a big enough market thank god they at least offer the jk still
the jk unlimited is everything anybody could want from a jeep four doors that pop off solid axles ...
Actually, IMO an "XJ" with a frame is actually a 4-door Wrangler with a few cosmetic changes like removeable doors & top.
^^ I think we're basically saying the same thing. And you're right --- they wouldn't make 2 (directly competing) hard core off-road models. They didn't. I wouldn't call the XJ "hardcore" until it's been extensively chopped, hacked & seriously built. "Extremely capable" would be my description of an XJ, not "hard core". A TJ is pretty good right out of the box, but it doesn't take much for the XJ to be highly competitive if not better (yeah - some say that small issue of no true frame). Jeep needs to sell Wranglers - they can't afford to have people buying up cheap XJs and making them "hardcore" with far less than the cost of a TJ or JK. Or so they thought.
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What they didn't realize was that the XJ & the TJ (or JK, whatever) could have happily co-existed without that silly looking KJ butting in. Recently they've realized the cute-ute-rounded-bubble-look wears thin real fast, they've updated the body to the squared look again. But no matter the body style, the Libby is pretty gutless by comparison with the XJ. There, I said it. And all I need to look at is the anemic V6 and the SFA. It matters not to me that you can build them, blah, blah. The closest comparison to the XJ that Jeep is offering today would be a bare bones JK. People can say what they want ... the JK is the true "replacement" for the legendary XJ. Not the KJ Libby, not the XK Commander.
(And I still say that if we can put a man on the moon, we could have built a reliable, torquey, fuel effecient 4.0 L6. Heck, 2 out of 3 are excellent odds. They just didn't want to.)
/RANT OFF
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