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Old 09-04-2012, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tom95YJ

Truss, sleeve , brace the knuckles , but your axle shafts and carrier are the weak link upgrade them. With some chromoly shafts and a full case locker and good u joints then your r&p are the weak link but for all than money you could have built a junkyard d60
But then you have to get a full width d60 in the rear too. Pointless unless you want to run like 38s or larger. And you cant do ultra tight trails...
My d30 was a little less than 1k with gears, locker, truss, sleeves, gussets, cover. I can still use my steering. I can still bolt it right in.

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Originally Posted by N20jeep
As long as they aren't stupid high or have bad suspension geometry, and they are geared correctly there is no reason they shouldn't easily be able to do the hills you do
Ya gotta remember there are more rigs that are taller than they need to be with bad suspension geometry and other haggardness than there are well built rigs out there.
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Originally Posted by ktmracer419

Ya gotta remember there are more rigs that are taller than they need to be with bad suspension geometry and other haggardness than there are well built rigs out there.
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Originally Posted by N20jeep
As long as they aren't stupid high or have bad suspension geometry, and they are geared correctly there is no reason they shouldn't easily be able to do the hills you do
NO, take a xj with 235hp tops for starters.

Now take a 38" bogger weight 84lbs. Take a 32" skinny tire weight(40lbs) like I run. times by 4. So its basically like my jeep running dual wheels on all 4's.

Huge difference in power output. And some of these hills you can not crawl. You have to shoot up and drop over the top. Some you just have to have a ton of wheel speed. Gearing brings your ratio back to normal, but does not compensate for lost hp.

I just won a mud run a month ago. Class was 4 and 6cyl up to 38" tires. There were purpose built rigs there running geared and locked. Boggers and tsl's. I only paid for one run. Won by a second. You can not turn a heavy bogger nearly as quick as a light agressive skinny tire. No way no how.

Just saying big does not always fit the bill. I am happy so far with 32's. Now if I move out west and start running over house size boulders, maybe I will go big
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Originally Posted by ktmracer419
Ya gotta remember there are more rigs that are taller than they need to be with bad suspension geometry and other haggardness than there are well built rigs out there.
Very true. Most guys just jack em up and put big meats on.
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Originally Posted by holycaveman

NO, take a xj with 235hp tops for starters.

Now take a 38" bogger weight 84lbs. Take a 32" skinny tire weight(40lbs) like I run. times by 4. So its basically like my jeep running dual wheels on all 4's.

Huge difference in power output. And some of these hills you can not crawl. You have to shoot up and drop over the top. Some you just have to have a ton of wheel speed. Gearing brings your ratio back to normal, but does not compensate for lost hp.

I just won a mud run a month ago. Class was 4 and 6cyl up to 38" tires. There were purpose built rigs there running geared and locked. Boggers and tsl's. I only paid for one run. Won by a second. You can not turn a heavy bogger nearly as quick as a light agressive skinny tire. No way no how.

Just saying big does not always fit the bill. I am happy so far with 32's. Now if I move out west and start running over house size boulders, maybe I will go big
Gearing does a pretty good job making up for tire size.

There are plenty of near stock engine xj's out there on 40+ inch tires that don't have issues with power. Its all about being built right

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Originally Posted by N20jeep
Gearing does a pretty good job making up for tire size.

There are plenty of near stock engine xj's out there on 40+ inch tires that don't have issues with power. Its all about being built right


Yep, gearing is the best option we have to compensate for tire size.
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Just ordered Aimee rock sliders and hopefully getting some Spartans
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**Some not Aimee**
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Well my damaged spartan is holding up great in the front. Wheeled this weekend and was not easy on it. Did not miss a beat.

Here is the damaged spartan locker that I am currently running. Should be a great test.

With exploded carrier. Spartan still going strong in new carrier.

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how did you break it again? I read in one of your threads that you were driving around town in 4x4 on dry pavement
or did I just skim read that and fill in the blanks with my imagination
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Originally Posted by holycaveman
Well my damaged spartan is holding up great in the front. Wheeled this weekend and was not easy on it. Did not miss a beat.

Here is the damaged spartan locker that I am currently running. Should be a great test.

With exploded carrier. Spartan still going strong in new carrier.
So are you saying they are good our bad ? Sounds like they are good
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I was driving around on dry pavement, yes. That is not when it broke. I was off road when it broke. However I had three things that were(i believe) the cause.

1. a bad wheel bearing
2. a locked up axle u-joint
3. Possibly a cracked carrier from my broken spiders.

I removed the damaged spartan and it still is holding up great in a new carrier.

So I have fixed all the other problems, and the spartan is working fine even though it has some damage to it.
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