Martlor13

Considering a company can pay to have their website come out on the topic search results, I'm sure it's a possibility they can pay for good reviews. I mean, i hear this ad on the radio about removing bad reviews online because it's bad for business haha!!!!!

Bugout4x4

Google does it all the time. They lease search keywords and whoever has the lease has the controls to manipulate the search results however they like, pro, con, aim it at their own products and service, etc.

There is so much paid for deceptive marketing practiced anymore that you have to go to places like Cherokee forums to get the real skinny on what's what.

IJM

Have you met the average Walmart shopper?


Yup, except for slicks, I suppose. Tread squirm on new tires is especially pronounced for A/T tires with deep tread and siped blocks. Same for winter tires in general.


^^^This. Very good points about tread pattern.

Bugout4x4

And "Tread Squirm" is a very accurate term to explain it.

BrawnyDog

"Exposure?" Tires are literally designed to be out in the elements. That's a bunch of junk

Bugout4x4

I was a Michelin National Account Dealer for over 25 years. And for most of this term the warranty stated explicitly that "failures due to exposure" were not covered at any time during the service life. They lost a LOT of business because of it especially in the commercial truck market and have now amended it to state that they will not cover anything over 6 years old.

"if there is a defect in workmanship and materials during the life of the original usable tread, or six (6) years from date of purchase (whichever comes first), your tire may be replaced on a pro rata basis under this warranty. After six (6) years or the wear of the original usable tread, whichever occurs first, all warranties, expressed or implied, expire."

" WHAT IS NOT COVERED...

This warranty does not cover tires damaged due to misuse, abuse or accident such as:–Road hazards (e.g., cuts, snags, bruises, impact damage or punctures);–Incorrect mounting of the tire, tire/wheel imbalance or improper repair;–Misapplication, improper maintenance, racing, underinflation, overinflationor other abuse;–Uneven or rapid wear which is caused by mechanical irregularity in thevehicle such as wheel misalignment (a measured tread difference of2/32nds of an inch or more across the face of the tread on the same tire);– Accident, fire, chemical corrosion, tire alteration or vandalism;– Flat spotting caused by improper storage or brakelock; – The addition of liquid, solid or gaseous materials other than air, nitrogen or carbon dioxide (for example, waterbase sealers or balancing substances); – Minor cosmetic ozone or weather cracking;– Use of MICHELIN® Self-Supporting Zero Pressure (ZP) tires without a properly operating low inflation warning system.– Use of MICHELIN tires that is inconsistent with the safety and/or maintenance information provided in your owner’s manual."

That is how arrogant they are...They are even saying that if you shine your tires up they will not be covered. Even more unrealistic arrogance about "exposure"...

"STORAGE...

Tires contain materials to protect their outer surfaces from ozone and weather checking. As the tire rolls and flexes, those materials continually migrate to the surface, replenishing this protection throughout the normal use of the tire. Consequently, when tires sit outdoors, unused for long periods of time (a month or more), their surfaces become dry and more susceptible to ozone and weather checking, and the casing becomes susceptible to flat spotting. For this reason, tires should always be stored in a cool, dry, clean, indoor environment. If storage is for one month or more, eliminate the weight from the tires by raising the vehicle or by removing the tires from the vehicle. Failure to store tires in accordance with these instructions could result in damage to your tires or premature aging of the tires and sudden tire failure. When tires are stored, be sure they are placed away from sources of heat and ozone such as hot pipes and electric generators. Be sure that surfaces on which tires are stored are clean and free from grease, gasoline or other substances which could deteriorate the rubber. Tires exposed to these materials during storage or driving could be subject to sudden failure.One reason why your spare tire should be included in the tire rotation schedule is that temperatures in a vehicle’s closed trunk, especially in sunny geographical areas, can become high enough so that, over a sustained period, they can cause small cracks or other changes to the properties of a tire stored in the trunk. An accumulation of such changes can weaken the tire and, especially if the tire is not kept properly inflated, make it unsafe to use when it is needed."

Martlor13

alot of companies won't warranty exposure. This is really just when I tire dries out and cracks. Sunlight is the exposure factor here, or heat.

Bugout4x4

Actually what kills Michelin is exposure to water. All other manufacturers now seal the steel plies with a layer of impermeable compound to keep them from rusting when water soaks through the outer casing rubber. Michelin still refuses to spend this extra couple bucks and seal these plies as they should be. So they literally rust apart inside from being exposed to water. Hence the comment they make in what I shared below about using (water based compounds) on their tires. This is why Michelin is the only tire made that has ever been known to have what they call a "zipper" sidewall blowout problem with their all steel tires. The cables get rusty and weak long before their tread and service life are up.

Overpriced inferior product peddled by an arrogant manufacturer. But people still buy them because they are a status symbol. "Look at me, I'm rich enough to afford Michelins" and they are being played into thinking that the more you pay the better the tire. which in the case of Michelin is very very untrue.

BrawnyDog

Bugout4x4 either lost a wife to a Michelin employee or he's doing us a great service!

DonP

Aren't the under inflated Wranglers the reason we have tire pressure monitors now.

Tbone289

No, that was Ford Explorer/Firestone.

IJM

Huh. I didn't know that. Is this universal with all their tires, or just the LT models?


Like anything else in the tire industry, it really varies quite a bit across the product line. Michelin, like other brands, makes some excellent tires that are worth every penny (Pilot SuperSport) and some crappy overpriced ones (PILOT HX MXM4).

That was the Firestone tires on the Explorer.

Bugout4x4

They don't seal these plies on any of their tires like they should. Then with their so called "green technology" which means less rubber on the outside, makes them even more susceptible to water permeation.

Ford and Bridgestone/Firestone made a mutual agreement to actually remove a ply to make them ride better when they should have just educated their customers that a Ford Explorer is not a Cadillac and is not designed to ride like a Cadillac. They let their unrealistic customers dictate the market trend and it cost them both dearly.

EEVEE

need some wisdom here.... i found this: https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/wtd...390549607.html

Does it look legit?

Martlor13

basically $100 a tire mounted and balanced. That's not bad at all if it s legit. You never know with craogslist. However that's the XL version. Ironman makes an LT version in 235 if you care about that kind of stuff. But that price is pretty good. Basically what we sell them for, we sell them at $100 even