1991Jeep_Man

I've got these radials on my XJ. Been on since 2014 if I recall. Spent the past 2 years sitting in the dirt as I worked on the XJ at a snails pace. I've driven them in snow, rain, and on pavement. I have absolutely no complaints and they still look fine and hold air without problem.

Bugout4x4

It's incredible... I have had them come in wanting tires like this repaired and they are going across the country completely broke with a bunch of kids in the back seat. And if you touch that tire without replacing it, some judge WILL award in their favor if something happens.

Bugout4x4

I have to admit though... They do ride nice... But there is more to a tire than ride.

EEVEE

It was like this one very dangerous honda accord that came in i went to hit the brakes and nothing and bumped into the tire machine trying to stop lol then the guy came out like oh i forgot it needs brake fluid so he filled it and it just leaked all back out again and then! his whole front end was shot and could move the front wheels in all directions with just your finger, It was such a pos i told him and he knew about it and once he got in i noticed a kid was going in the back seat i wish i could of just said no.

Biggsly

I pass the same car on the way to work each morning that is running the doughnut spare. It has probably been on there for two months. lol

Bugout4x4

See...this is where large company policies don't make any sense. They would force you to do something like this you know is not safe, yet they maintain a policy that prevents you from mounting different sized tires than the door sticker or VIN recommends. Outright ignorant policies, stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime. It seriously concerns me in what is being taught in our current "higher" education system.

Keep a home journal of this stuff man... Who when and what decisions were made. Always cover your *** by making someone in management make the call with EVERY questionable case like this. I can tell you from real experience that you WILL need this record someday to cover your butt. In the service and repair industry it can go beyond just an insurance claim or a civil suit. Many have been charged and convicted of "criminal neglect" and have gone to jail over decisions like this. Let it be the manager... not you, you are not being paid enough to take the heat for these things.

RocketMouse

Especially with a child in the car... that's child endangerment. Company policies or not.. I'd alert law enforcement if I witnessed something like that if I'd warned them of the danger and they ignored it. There's no excuse for that to happen.

EEVEE

I declined the work. Management was pissed but i dont want to be involved with that deathtrap. But i wish i could have done something about the kid, If it was the guy i wouldnt of been so worried. But endangering a kid is another story. I have my limits with what comes in i dont care if it makes you money i dont want to have heat on me from working ont hat car. I did mention it to the security guard outside the shop and i think he may have let the officers know about it. I know the guy may be in a tough position, But that car needed to be impounded or off the road till it atleast had brakes and the front end fixed. The balljoints must have been so shot they made the steering have a good half way turn of nothing till it turned.

Tbone289

I've seen comments on this site about inspections... People like that are the reason that we need basic inspections. They are endangering everyone's lives.

Just my $.02

Bugout4x4

Good. I always hate being a rat, but at some point it just needs to be done. Main thing is cover your own rear with this stuff. I have been to court several times over stuff like this, and it's not fun even if you are in the right and not responsible for residual problems. Let me share an example of what can happen... On this one I had to invest my own time and effort to keep it out of court from the very beginning.

I had a guy come in who I knew well and had worked with before. He was a good wrench and tire guy and knew his stuff. He came in stating that he had just mounted two new tires on the front of his car at home but didn't have time to go get them balanced before he left on this trip and they were bouncing too much and needed me to balance them all for him.

So I did and he headed off to continue his trip. About four hours later I get a personal call from our local county coroner, who I also knew very well, He called to give me heads up that the guy had rolled the car and killed himself, and that the Highway Patrol officer investigating the accident had found the receipt for the tire balance I just did in the guys car and was leaning towards my balance job as being the possible cause of the accident.

The following morning I get a call from the officer doing the investigation. He started drilling me about how I do balances and asked me if I had inspected all the steering and suspension components on this guys car "like I should have" when I did the balance. I explained that it is never the responsibility of a tire shop to do inspections on mechanical parts. I asked him "were all the lugnuts tight?", he said yes they were. So I told him "then that is all I am legally liable and responsible for at this point."

He called me in for an investigation hearing anyways. He didn't come to me as innocent until proven guilty, he made me go 100 miles to him on his time schedule making me lose business because I had to shut down my operations to accommodate his program. When I walked in there I was guilty as suspected and was now in the position that I had to prove my innocence. But what I had done right after he called the previous day was investigate the accident myself so I was ready for his crap. Been here before...

I had went to the scene of the accident and gathered my own theory of what happened and the pictures to prove it. And because this was in Ca, I printed out the law concerning tire shops and operations per state code. And I had went to the impound yard where the car was being held pending investigation who another good friend owned and got pictures of the car.

His supervisor was also present in this hearing and explained that they think my work may have had "influence" in the accident because I did not do a thorough inspection of components . I looked his super in the eyes and and asked him "are you sure you want to even continue with this? Because I know what happened and can prove it. It had absolutely nothing to do with me or my work and I should not even be here right now at all."

He looked at the officer investigating me with worried eyes and asked me "OK, what have you got?" First I explained that in the state of Ca Tire shops who do not perform any mechanical repairs are not required to register with the Bureau of Automotive Repair, or the BAR by acronym. And it is against the law to perform any mechanical inspections or repairs on noncommercial vehicles if you are NOT registered with the BAR. And handed him the proof in writing from the state's own website. Then I handed him pictures of all four wheels on the car and that all the lug nuts were tight as required of my work.

He thought about it a minute and said "OK, I guess we are indeed done here now." But no way after what they had now put me through was I going to leave it at this and told him that we were not done and I had more to share because it was important that this should never happen to anyone like me again unless they are absolutely sure with evidence facts first. So I explained what I found had happened in MY investigation...

Three factors were involved. First, because of the distance the vehicle traveled after it left the road, and the fact that it had rolled 7 times before coming to a rest, I estimated a speed of over 100 miles an hour. Second, the county was grading the shoulder with no broom following the grader to broom the loose gravel off the road the grader was leaving out in the travel lane. Third, I found the tracks from where the grader had pulled off into the shoulder to work one of the runoff cutouts and had then backed up into the lane again. So now you are probably catching on to what happened at this point.

The guy was traveling at over a hundred miles an hour on this back road when the grader he did not see in time backed out in front of him causing him to try and swerve around it but the gravel on the road made him lose control and off into the ditch he went. So even though he was indeed driving way too fast, he more than likely would have seen a broom following the grader and slowed down to avoid the situation because brooms make a LOT of dust and can be seen for miles. Also if the road lane had been broomed off like it should have been, he might not have slipped on the gravel and lost control.

So in reality the initial cause was the county not doing their job per their own safety policies while grading the shoulder. This could have happened to someone who was indeed only driving the speed limit too under these circumstances. But here is the point about all this, I had to expend my own time and effort to clear myself of liability and if the investigating officer had called the insurance company with suspicions about my work, proved or not, I would have had to retain an attorney and probably go through a couple months of court hearings and a legal battle that I more than likely could not have recouped my losses from even though I was not guilty of anything wrong in this.

Kymasabe

I have the wranglers in my 99 xj, just bought them. I checked the manufacturers item number on the walmart website, and it matches the item number of wranglers sold elsewhere, is not a walmart- only tire. I got a written estimate from walmart, then went to a local tire chain store that i usually go to, and they price matched walmart. I have found that the sidewalls on the wranglers feel thin, tread pattern is a bit dated, they seem to do pretty well in some of the sugar sand we have here in SW Florida . I havent experienced much slippage in wet weather, seem ok as long as i dont drive like an idiot. So, for the money, they arent too bad. I do have Cooper discoverers on my wifes grand cherokee and can tell you, there's a noticeable difference between the two, the cooper is quiter, handles better, better wet grip, wore nice and evenly, and has thicker sidewalls so im less worried whwn i take it off road but, the they cost a couple hundred $ more, couldnt swing it, bought the Wranglers instead. They'll do for now. Cheapz just know and drive within their limitations.

Martlor13

no they aren't a wal mart only tire. Just that they are associated with them imo. I can get them at the place i work at. But I said in a previous post, I won't sell them to people. Just don't feel comfortable, especially now in winter. I usually just put them in iron man's or something in the similar price range as those or the wranglers.

RocketMouse

Thanks for sharing that personal story... I think it goes to show that some agencies just think that doing sloppy work is acceptable and they don't worry about the consequences and grief they cause the innocent.
Not only were you considered "guilty until proven innocent" .... but it would end up personally costing you more than it was worth to hold THEM accountable for their actions and poor judgment.
Also.... if they can't figure a case like that out...and a civilian can (in this case, you)... then I'd hate to see them keep their jobs. How do they handle say a murder investigation?.... just sayin'

Bugout4x4

I think part of the problem is they now have a great dis-concern for whats legal, not legal, and who might be liable for what or why. They just throw it all into the courts and let the courts decide. When in reality it is their job to make sure someone might for sure be guilty before it ever even goes this far. Too lazy to think deeper or do their job correctly and don't really care about who it hurts if they are wrong. Both my father and my uncle got out of the law enforcement gig because of these truths alone. They were ashamed at what it had become.

But that leads to many more much longer historical accounts. The main thing is that society as a whole has placed us in the position of needing to defend ourselves all day long when it should not be a worry to stress over. I remember when it didn't used to be this way.

SeaVee

Glad I stumbled upon this thread. I have a cherry 01 that I put an OME 1.5 lift kit on and then came across a great deal on some Goodyear ArmorTrac's 265/16's. They were a close out special from Treadquarters. I was never sure if it was the lift or the tires, but this thing rides so hard I worry about my 16 year old driving it. It feels like it has no shocks. I got the basic ( not- heavy duty shocks from OME with the kit) .
Do you think the compound is what is making this thing ride so harsh? Thinking about selling these and trying something different if it can help smooth out the ride. All this jeep does as far as offloading is the beach. Thinking some Cooper 245's as these 265's rub the LCA on stock rims. I run BFG's on my other truck, and they seem fine
TIA,
SeaVee